PWCC Auctions this evening

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

You can't and it is unfortunate. Apparently what took place in the late 2000s at Mastro Auctions today is ok. Back then to artificially increase the value of a card was grounds for a felony but today is in good clean hobby fun.

Brent acknowledged in the great 2016 runup that some of his customers were intentionally trying to push up market values. One of those customers pretty much said it too. There was an interesting thread about the legitimacy of that and if memory serves some of the answers were to my mind inconsistent with prior views of what was wrongful shill bidding.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Brent acknowledged in the great 2016 runup that some of his customers were intentionally trying to push up market values. One of those customers pretty much said it too. There was an interesting thread about the legitimacy of that and if memory serves some of the answers were to my mind inconsistent with prior views of what was wrongful shill bidding.

Well the market seems to be...evolving...At one point altered cards being in holders was horrifying. Now it is commonplace and seems to be generally accepted, for a lack of a better word.

PWCC seems to be tied to both shilling and card altering AND is under investigation and nothing slowing down. Think that tells everyone all they need to know. Bad in 2010 but great in 2020.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Well the market seems to be...evolving...At one point altered cards being in holders was horrifying. Now it is commonplace and seems to be generally accepted, for a lack of a better word.

PWCC seems to be tied to both shilling and card altering AND is under investigation and nothing slowing down. Think that tells everyone all they need to know. Bad in 2010 but great in 2020.

As I've said, sometime in the mid 2010s, the flip became the commodity for many (especially set registry collectors), not the card. The flip doesn't care if the card is altered as long as it isn't painfully obvious. It confers the same ego gratification, bragging rights, and value either way,

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As I've said, sometime in the mid 2010s, the flip became the commodity for many (especially set registry collectors), not the card. The flip doesn't care if the card is altered as long as it isn't painfully obvious. It confers the same ego gratification, bragging rights, and value either way,

If flips are the collectible for the Registry, why even bother altering cards. Eliminate the cards, and merely alter the flips. Who needs card flippers, once the hobby is populated with flip flippers. At the National serve only pancakes and any other flippable food. Flip, flip flooray!!!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

If flips are the collectible for the Registry, why even bother altering cards. Eliminate the cards, and merely alter the flips. Who needs card flippers, once the hobby is populated with flip flippers. At the National serve only pancakes and any other flippable food. Flip, flip flooray!!!

With special speaking guest, Flip Wilson....oh....wait....

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

With special speaking guest, Flip Wilson....oh....wait....

Flippin out!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

if flips are the collectible for the registry, why even bother altering cards. Eliminate the cards, and merely alter the flips. Who needs card flippers, once the hobby is populated with flip flippers. At the national serve only pancakes and any other flippable food. Flip, flip flooray!!!

smh

[SD]

Got a 33 Goudey PSA 6MK Comoroskey for 56 off them that night. I was pleased. The Dizzy Dean PSA 6.5 for 3400.... I was not.