PSA 9 52 Topps Mantle sells for $5.2M

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

With all due respect, the same can be said the other way around.
Those commenting on how wonderful and great the youth of today is usually comes from only those with kids.
Once you have children, your judgement of course becomes extremely partial and biased, and understandably so.

Uhm, yes, it really does help to formulate comment on children if you actually have them and have experience more significant than seeing them wander around a shopping mall.

They are definitely not all wonderful and great, however in particular the observation that they are disconnected or unknowing of recent history and the past is not particularly accurate in my experience.
My kids are not unicorns in their knowledge and tastes in music, in fact I would make the crazy generalization that no generation has ever had more eclectic and more rounded taste and knowledge of music genres.
That is largely based on hearing their jams coming from their rooms, ear pods, and pounding car chasis over the last 5-10 years.

I would also offer the following. While many kids today don't verbalize or make great conversationalists, that doesn't mean they aren't observing and contextualizing and sharing those thoughts amongst eachother.

Don't mistake a lack of interest in talking with their folks or to other random adults with lack of awareness.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

Uhm, yes, it really does help to formulate comment on children if you actually have them and have experience more significant than seeing them wander around a shopping mall.

They are definitely not all wonderful and great, however in particular the observation that they are disconnected or unknowing of recent history and the past is not particularly accurate in my experience.
My kids are not unicorns in their knowledge and tastes in music, in fact I would make the crazy generalization that no generation has ever had more eclectic and more rounded taste and knowledge of music genres.
That is largely based on hearing their jams coming from their rooms, ear pods, and pounding car chasis over the last 5-10 years.

I would also offer the following. While many kids today don't verbalize or make great conversationalists, that doesn't mean they aren't observing and contextualizing and sharing those thoughts amongst eachother.

Don't mistake a lack of interest in talking with their folks or to other random adults with lack of awareness.

Very well said, They often have many interesting an unique perspectives to offer on really everything. I will say this generation seems to certainly be the most politically active/informed that I've come across. Always fighting for a cause of some kind.

And yes a lot of times, they don't verbalize their interests unless they suddenly discover that you also have said interests. They are extremely aware and impressionable of everything going on around them!

[packs]

Why is everyone talking about being a kid like you weren't one too. I highly doubt any of you (or at least for your sake I hope this is not true for you) emulated or felt encouraged to mirror your parents. Where did your fire go that you are now talking about how kids don't appreciate XYZ? I'll tell you where it went, you got old and became your parents, the single worst thing that the teenage mind can fathom. And now you're falling further down the rabbit hole as you get older until you wake up one day and realize you're wearing the same pajamas your dad did when he woke up at night to ask you to turn down the stereo.

Some of us were cool once, I'm sure. How many adults did you find yourself wanting to engage in great conversations with? The great conversations were reserved for your buddies. What an odd view of youth.

[68Hawk]

And because every post should include a pic....
When I bought my wife her engagement diamond back in 2001, she said I should have my own special engagement 'thing' as well.
Within a couple days I found this guy, sitting in a GAI 2.5 holder. They were super fresh to TPG at the time and I thought there was an excellent chance the card was fine and had just found it's way in to their holders to maximize grade.
Well, it was my kind of 'great looking for the grade' card and every cent we could afford (sort of afford ) at 4K. She didn't blink, kissed me, said happy engagement and told me to hit the bid button with 10 seconds left on the ebay sale.
Probably the only card I could never sell, even though I have promised myself that all my cards should get passed along to the kids where they can maximize the profit by benefiting from inheritance treatment of such valuables.
May it be worth $200,000 one day and buy them something wonderful that they can enjoy as much as I enjoy this piece of colorized cardboard.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

Uhm, yes, it really does help to formulate comment on children if you actually have them and have experience more significant than seeing them wander around a shopping mall.

They are definitely not all wonderful and great, however in particular the observation that they are disconnected or unknowing of recent history and the past is not particularly accurate in my experience.
My kids are not unicorns in their knowledge and tastes in music, in fact I would make the crazy generalization that no generation has ever had more eclectic and more rounded taste and knowledge of music genres.
That is largely based on hearing their jams coming from their rooms, ear pods, and pounding car chasis over the last 5-10 years.

I would also offer the following. While many kids today don't verbalize or make great conversationalists, that doesn't mean they aren't observing and contextualizing and sharing those thoughts amongst eachother.

Don't mistake a lack of interest in talking with their folks or to other random adults with lack of awareness.

Yeah, formulating an opinion is great, but hearing the same old song and dance about how everyone finds their own children to be something so utterly special and worth mentioning to others ad nauseam is tiresome.

They're your kids, so surprise surprise, OF COURSE they're special little angels that are misunderstood and able to do anything and everything.

I don't share that bias. I actually judge others on what they say and do, something most parents cannot objectively do about their own children.

Sorry for being honest, but we obviously won't agree.

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Yeah, formulating an opinion is great, but hearing the same old song and dance about how everyone finds their own children to be something so utterly special and worth mentioning to others ad nauseam is tiresome.

They're your kids, so surprise surprise, OF COURSE they're special little angels that are misunderstood and able to do anything and everything.

I don't share that bias. I actually judge others on what they say and do, something most parents cannot objectively do about their own children.

Sorry for being honest, but we obviously won't agree.

I wonder if your parents ever found you special and worth mentioning grouchy pants?

Ad nauseam??? Not sure we hear too much about eachothers children on this site, I was using mine not to gloat but to give reference to ones I know, see, hear, watch in concert with others, and have done so for hundreds of thousands of hours up close over 18 years.

I know, terrible lack of perspective from your point of view.
Strange how parents with such experience must be terrible 'experts' at such opinions whereas gaining similar experience in other endeavors rates as expertise.

LOL, says this 52 year old man.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

I wonder if your parents ever found you special and worth mentioning grouchy pants?

Ad nauseam??? Not sure we hear too much about eachothers children on this site, I was using mine not to gloat but to give reference to ones I know, see, hear, watch in concert with others, and have done so for hundreds of thousands of hours up close over 18 years.

I know, terrible lack of perspective from your point of view.
Strange how parents with such experience must be terrible 'experts' at such opinions whereas gaining similar experience in other endeavors rates as expertise.

LOL, says this 52 year old man.

Uhhh, yeah, people who are in a cult also have all the first-hand expertise in the world, but NO ONE would ever expect a fair and honest judgement of said cult from them

Thinking your objective about your own children instead of admitting and accepting your utter bias... now THAT is LOL!

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Thinking your objective about your own children instead of admitting and accepting your utter bias... now THAT is LOL!

Just a quick note: LOL does not mean Lots Of Love, it means Laugh Out Loud.

[cardsagain74]

In other news, there is now just one '52 T Mantle graded above a 1 listed on ebay for less than 200,000 now. A PSA 3 for 85 k.

A brand new level of disappearing supply for it

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

In other news, there is now just one '52 T Mantle graded above a 1 listed on ebay for less than 200,000 now. A PSA 3 for 85 k.

A brand new level of disappearing supply for it

That's wild.
Is your impression those listings are just fanciful ebay sellers hoping to strike it lucky with an impatient less than well informed buyer, or are Auction results heading that way?
Any idea what recent sales of graded 2-4 have been achieving at trusted auction sites?

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Uhhh, yeah, people who are in a cult also have all the first-hand expertise in the world, but NO ONE would ever expect a fair and honest judgement of said cult from them

Thinking your objective about your own children instead of admitting and accepting your utter bias... now THAT is LOL!

You're a super weird dude.

[packs]

It's also kind of strange that the measure of a well rounded person is interest in music and television shows from the 80s.

I mean, come on. Have you forgotten the best years of your life already? I highly doubt there are many boomers on the board who were sitting down with grand pappy to listen to some Cole Porter 78s on the old Vitrola. Or went with memaw to check out some silent films while everyone else was seeing Marlo Brando and John Wayne movies.

Wake up, guys. You're old and uncool. It happens. But there's no reason to disparage people who are young and cool just because you aren't. That's where you can break the cycle.