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Did any Negro League players get 3,000 hits or 500 home runs?
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Willie Mays
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I meant besides the players that eventually played in the MLB. I believe there aren't any.
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But the stats are woefully incomplete, see discussion just above of Gibson.
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I wouldn't be mad if MLB stopped recognizing Cap Anson's stats.
That guy was a terrible person and a big reason segregation happened in MLB.
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History is ugly, but if we are going to institute moral standard for Hall of Famers based on how we feel they should have lived their lives, I hate to break it to you, but some of the early Negro Leaguers would fall short as well. As society changes, we will be kicking out new guys every decade or so until eventually the only ones left are the boring ones nobody cares about anyways.
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History is what it is - why try changing it. Understand it, know the injustice occurred and try to find something positive. Why not look at people that tried to turn that injustice around. Guys like Branch Rickey or even Walter "Judge" McCredie. Erasing history by erasing Anson's stats because of his views serves no good purpose. For that matter, I'm sure there were plenty of players with bigoted views, even some that are in the HOF. It would be pretty strange to erase the stats of bigoted players because you can't erase what happened.
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I wonder if the Negro League players had not been sold to MLB teams if they would have fielded a team(s) that would have won the World Series or multiple?
I think mlb remembered what happed when Jack Johnson was allowed to compete. When does the MLB allow the Japanese League to compete for the “World Series”? |
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Jay Jaffe has a good article on FanGraphs about this. I haven't read this thread much so I don't know if someone else posted this.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/wrestlin...ues-as-majors/ |
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"Oh" boy, that's an interesting thought.
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Grant, Gibson, Earl Wilson, Jenkins, Downing, Blue, Richard, Norris, Gooden, Stewart, and in 2005, Dontrelle Willis. In the 57 years since 1947, there were only 11 black 20 game winners. Of these 11, only 4 did it more than once (Gibson, Jenkins, Blue, Stewart.) So for all the talk about the great black hitters back in the day, the pitching, by Major League standards, was much less impressive. And that had to help the hitters. |
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Don Newcombe won 20 games in 1951, 20 games in 1955, and 27 games in 1956.
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I think my point stands - the black hitters seem to have been well ahead of the pitchers. Last edited by Mark17; 12-17-2020 at 09:41 PM. |
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There are many things that have impacted stats through the years that they all require an asterisks next to them when comparing. You can't compare steroid era, war years, dead-ball era, pre-integration, and Negro League to name a few. The stats deserve merit on their own. Last edited by oldeboo; 12-17-2020 at 11:42 PM. |
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Not a strong take. Research the unwritten rules governing black pitchers in the early days of MLB integration.
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None if we confine the stats to official league games, which is what MLB will recognize.
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