Negro Leagues Recognized As Major

[packs]

Originally Posted by tschock

And, that Negro League statistics, pre-integration, were watered up due to the fact that they were note facing the best talent of their generation?

Works both ways, which is why the Negro Leagues should be considered a Major League. But comparing stats and performance between leagues is problematic at best.

I don't think that's a logical way to look at it. The Negro League players were playing against the highest competition available to them. The MLB players were not.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think that's a logical way to look at it. The Negro League players were playing against the highest competition available to them. The MLB players were not.

No. THAT doesn't make sense. Both leagues' PLAYERS were playing against the highest competition available to them (the players). Neither could play against the best of both, nor the worst of both, leagues' players. Post integration the lower caliber of players would have been removed (ideally) and we can only estimate the comparison of stats pre-integration.

Maybe you misunderstood my post or are reading something into my post that isn't there?

[packs]

Originally Posted by tschock

No. THAT doesn't make sense. Both leagues' PLAYERS were playing against the highest competition available to them (the players). Neither could play against the best of both, nor the worst of both, leagues' players. Post integration the lower caliber of players would have been removed (ideally) and we can only estimate the comparison of stats pre-integration.

Maybe you misunderstood my post or are reading something into my post that isn't there?

No. That is totally at odds with history. The MLB had every opportunity to play against everybody. If you will recall, they chose to ban players of color from the league. When you say "neither COULD play against the best of both" that is a stretch considering the reason MLB didn't play against the best competition of the era was due to their choice to exclude them.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by packs

No. That is totally at odds with history. The MLB had every opportunity to play against everybody. If you will recall, they chose to ban players of color from the league. When you say "neither COULD play against the best of both" that is a stretch considering the reason MLB didn't play against the best competition of the era was due to their choice to exclude them.

Who is this "MLB" you are talking about? Players or owners? Who ran baseball? Especially back then. Players or owners? The PLAYERS played against the best they were allowed to play against. I'm sorry, not sure what you point is but it doesn't contradict what I saying.

[packs]

Originally Posted by tschock

Who is this "MLB" you are talking about? Players or owners? Who ran baseball? Especially back then. Players or owners? The PLAYERS played against the best they were allowed to play against. I'm sorry, not sure what you point is but it doesn't contradict what I saying.

My issue is you’re equating the white experience with the black as though they were somehow equal re: who they were “allowed” to play against. That is extremely far from the truth and the idea that this exclusion or segregation was a shared experience is at odds with history.

That is the point. There was no shared experience when it came to excluding players of color from the major leagues.

[Ricky]

Here's another point of view from a prominent Black sportswriter, Howard Bryant, who penned Henry Aaron's autobiography:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-black-players

[tschock]

Originally Posted by packs

My issue is you’re equating the white experience with the black as though they were somehow equal re: who they were “allowed” to play against. That is extremely far from the truth and the idea that this exclusion or segregation was a shared experience is at odds with history.

That is the point. There was no shared experience when it came to excluding players of color from the major leagues.

So your point is to make a point about something I never really said or implied? Ok, got it.