SGC and greed

[nolemmings]

Well, at least you can take comfort in knowing they can't grade S74 silks worth a damn in the first place

Originally Posted by kmac32

Just looked through my S74 silks and 2 were encapsulated without the plastic sleeve the SGC person was talking about. In my opinion, these 2 cards look fine and maybe even better than the others. Unless they can prove to me that this helps preserve the card better, there is absolutely no need to do this other than to take money from my bank account. Have emailed them about encapsulating without the additional plastic and reversing the charges. Give the customer appropriate options other than my way or the highway is my opinion. My opinion is that this is being totally bungled by SGC and this will be the last they see of my money.

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Well, at least you can take comfort in knowing they can't grade S74 silks worth a damn in the first place

True. And they definitely need to work on their customer service.

[Mozzie22]

When I first looked into getting silks graded years ago only one company would even grade them and it wasn't SGC or PSA. It was these guys...

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by Mozzie22

When I first looked into getting silks graded years ago only one company would even grade them and it wasn't SGC or PSA. It was these guys...

Truthfully, those look good. I may pull my entire SGC order from them over this and they will get nothing from me. Will give them 24 hours to get their act together or I am done. Definitely standing my ground.

[68Hawk]

The inner sleeve is to stop the thin silk from slipping around inside the holder.
Especially true for those without backs.

Strange thread for mine, all the TPG's have bumped their grading prices.
It's not hard to understand, these collectables are now bringing significant returns and the TPG's want a slightly bigger piece of the pie.
When a slabbed and graded card brings the premium that it does over raw, this seems a fair and reasoned thought process.

If you don't like, just don't use the service.
If you're just as happy handling these silks with your oiled finger tips, go ahead.
But moaning over a $20 charge over the life of your ownership of this memorabilia is dumb to me.

Now if you were bitching about wait times - THERE'S A POST I"D THUMBS UP.

Pic added coz these silks get so damned little love.


Oh, and I know we get older and constantly want to pay the prices of our youth for things......but that aint a thing.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

The inner sleeve is to stop the thin silk from slipping around inside the holder.
Especially true for those without backs.

Strange thread for mine, all the TPG's have bumped their grading prices.
It's not hard to understand, these collectables are now bringing significant returns and the TPG's want a slightly bigger piece of the pie.
When a slabbed and graded card brings the premium that it does over raw, this seems a fair and reasoned thought process.

If you don't like, just don't use the service.
If you're just as happy handling these silks with your oiled finger tips, go ahead.
But moaning over a $20 charge over the life of your ownership of this memorabilia is dumb to me.

Now if you were bitching about wait times - THERE'S A POST I"D THUMBS UP.

Pic added coz these silks get so damned little love.


Oh, and I know we get older and constantly want to pay the prices of our youth for things......but that aint a thing.

Paying the amount we did in our youth is the last thing consumers lament and care about... the last. It's getting VALUE for the extra money charged, which rarely if ever happens today. Surely, that isn't "dumb" to you??

The motto of most businesses today is I'll give you LESS, but demand MORE.

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Paying the amount we did in our youth is the last thing consumers lament and care about... the last. It's getting VALUE for the extra money charged, which rarely if ever happens today. Surely, that isn't "dumb" to you??

The motto of most businesses today is I'll give you LESS, but demand MORE.

I don't want to be rude, but if you don't understand the VALUE you receive from having cards graded, memorabilia authenticated, etc., then getting your pants knotted in this thread is the last thing you should be worried about.

There is enormous value in nearly everything you can acquire these days, should it fit your needs.
From the food you eat, the tv you watch, the car you drive, the music you listen to...all are produced at costs just pennies on the dollar to what would have been necessary in the past, due to automation and delivery services and methods.
If you had to put your own hours into learning, perfecting, and producing any of the above it would likely cost you a hundred times as much in whatever your hourly work value would be worth in your own profession.

If you view such things as grading cards in a poor light to begin with, for whatever reasons they are, your prejudice informs you to think of a plastic slab and an 'experts' opinion as not valued at todays costs.

If however, you value the grading service because it allows widespread confident trade in trinkets you have a fondness for, and that such grading will regularly add 50% to it's value and in cases double or triple its value, it's really not all that difficult to understand where many see value.

Again, pay to play or don't play.
Complaining about the cost when you don't HAVE TO go graded to enjoy this hobby is DUMB.

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

The inner sleeve is to stop the thin silk from slipping around inside the holder.
Especially true for those without backs.

Strange thread for mine, all the TPG's have bumped their grading prices.
It's not hard to understand, these collectables are now bringing significant returns and the TPG's want a slightly bigger piece of the pie.
When a slabbed and graded card brings the premium that it does over raw, this seems a fair and reasoned thought process.

If you don't like, just don't use the service.
If you're just as happy handling these silks with your oiled finger tips, go ahead.
But moaning over a $20 charge over the life of your ownership of this memorabilia is dumb to me.

Now if you were bitching about wait times - THERE'S A POST I"D THUMBS UP.

Pic added coz these silks get so damned little love.


Oh, and I know we get older and constantly want to pay the prices of our youth for things......but that aint a thing.

All 3 cards in question have backs in tact, nice cards so they most likely would not slip around

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Well, at least you can take comfort in knowing they can't grade S74 silks worth a damn in the first place

IMO, it's a fools errand to try and grade them, just too many variables. S74s, B-18s, BF2s, pins, and other oddball sets, are memorabilia, unlike cards with their standardization, and their value should hinge entirely on what a buyer is willing to pay for what he sees, not on some subjective "grade" another person decides to give it. I can see slabbing them for authenticity, maybe, but if you don't know enough to recognize fakes of these things, why are you collecting them?

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

IMO, it's a fools errand to try and grade them, just too many variables. S74s, B-18s, BF2s, pins, and other oddball sets, are memorabilia, unlike cards with their standardization, and their value should hinge entirely on what a buyer is willing to pay for what he sees, not on some subjective "grade" another person decides to give it. I can see slabbing them for authenticity, maybe, but if you don't know enough to recognize fakes of these things, why are you collecting them?

Reason for slabbing is not the grade, it is about protecting the cards. I know a real S74 when I see one. Will get them slabbed elsewhere other than SGC.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by kmac32

Reason for slabbing is not the grade, it is about protecting the cards. I know a real S74 when I see one. Will get them slabbed elsewhere other than SGC.

If you truly just want to protect your cards, why not reach out to any of the grading companies to see if they will encapsulate without the grade/flip? I know PSA used to to this for next to nothing (I think you needed to do it in volume, though).

[Exhibitman]

Or just put them in mylar sleeves. Low cost, no upcharges, no delays, archival safe.

[rsst206]

SGC shouldn't be grading Silks - Silks belong in albums- for me White series fit
nice in 9 pocket mylar so you can see the backs. Colored in a 4 pocket with acid free paper and mylar.

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by rsst206

SGC shouldn't be grading Silks - Silks belong in albums- for me White series fit
nice in 9 pocket mylar so you can see the backs. Colored in a 4 pocket with acid free paper and mylar.

Those are nice!

[tschock]

Originally Posted by rsst206

SGC shouldn't be grading Silks - Silks belong in albums- for me White series fit
nice in 9 pocket mylar so you can see the backs. Colored in a 4 pocket with acid free paper and mylar.

Gorgeous way to display them! The only complaint is you have too many Cobbs cluttering up the pages.

[Mozzie22]

Originally Posted by rsst206

SGC shouldn't be grading Silks - Silks belong in albums- for me White series fit
nice in 9 pocket mylar so you can see the backs. Colored in a 4 pocket with acid free paper and mylar.

Man does that look nice. Love to see that Wolter in a better scan.

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by BillyCox3

If you truly just want to protect your cards, why not reach out to any of the grading companies to see if they will encapsulate without the grade/flip? I know PSA used to to this for next to nothing (I think you needed to do it in volume, though).

Worth checking into. Thanks for the suggestion!