Hey, pennant guys

[bocca001]

Hey Greg- I know you said you might want to start collecting/displaying mini-pennants. I found this one for you with a really nice spine.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Hey Leon...

Where does this thread rank, in terms of the total number of views?

It's gotta be way up there, with 686,953 views (as I write this). Even the epic "What's your Monster Number" thread has only 619,521 views.

So are there any threads that rank higher? And if so, what is the most views of any single thread?

My life's greatest achievement?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

hey greg- i know you said you might want to start collecting/displaying mini-pennants. I found this one for you with a really nice spine.

Yikes!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Yikes!

Must've been the very end of the roll!

[ooo-ribay]

Picked this up from JR. It is in unbelievable condition (save for the "bite" in the A) and that has me a little concerned. The colors are super bright and it doesn't have that old smell. JR dated it to the 1930's and I have no idea. It measures 8.5" x 26". What do you guys think? Have you seen this one or any similar?

I've always thought JR to be an honest seller. Hell, he didn't even remove the dog hair that showed on the A in his ebay listing. Even if you guys say it's no good, I'm not going to raise a fuss. I think JR represented it to the best of his ability and, besides, I'm having a hard time finding any new for me Giants pennants lately.

[ooo-ribay]

I thought I had never seen the Giants pennant that Erik sold and Bocca posted. Well, scrolling thru my saved pennant pictures, I see I have three previously saved images of it. Guess I had seen it, after all.

[bocca001]

Good to know that there are some others out there.

I like the look of that stitched Giants pennant, even if it is not old.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I thought I had never seen the Giants pennant that Erik sold and Bocca posted. Well, scrolling thru my saved pennant pictures, I see I have three previously saved images of it. Guess I had seen it, after all.

Been there done that.

You posted the link to your Giants photo album didn't you? Can you share again? I'd like to take another look at it.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Been there done that.

You posted the link to your Giants photo album didn't you? Can you share again? I'd like to take another look at it.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VTWwsCGCUcnhRKy28

https://photos.app.goo.gl/5w4MyAqWtyAqb8JU7

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I like the look of that stitched Giants pennant, even if it is not old.

I need the "heavy hitters" (you know who you are) to weigh in.

You and I, Marc, are not quite in that category.

[thetahat]

I have no idea of era and feel is best indicator but I think it is vintage. I have some very old pennants with that same unique stitching at the very top and bottom of the spine (which doesn’t permit a dowel). I’ll see if I can find an example. .... Didn’t we see a series of very old pennants like this with city names? Perhaps because of two NY teams the nickname was used.

[bocca001]

I also had a Seals pennant that turned out to be not vintage that had the same type of spine (no way to slide in a stick) and stitched letters. I forget the name of the company that made it, but Seattlerainers helped me figure it out.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I have no idea of era and feel is best indicator but I think it is vintage. I have some very old pennants with that same unique stitching at the very top and bottom of the spine (which doesn’t permit a dowel). I’ll see if I can find an example. .... Didn’t we see a series of very old pennants like this with city names? Perhaps because of two NY teams the nickname was used.

Yeah, those auctioned recently. I’ll backtrack thru this thread. One somewhat comforting thing is that my pennant does have pinholes at the corners.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I have no idea of era and feel is best indicator but I think it is vintage. I have some very old pennants with that same unique stitching at the very top and bottom of the spine (which doesn’t permit a dowel). I’ll see if I can find an example. .... Didn’t we see a series of very old pennants like this with city names? Perhaps because of two NY teams the nickname was used.

Some good news, and some bad (to a far lesser extent...)

I completely agree with Greg that "feel" is the best indicator. But (without having it in-hand) I like the look and grain of the felt, as much as the pics can portray. Everything else about it also looks vintage and correct.

The Pin holes are a good sign, as are the little moth bites in the "A". Moths are not too hot on polyester blends, last I checked.

So with that said... what era is it from? Those previously discussed generic embroidered types from the Teens were all full-sized and had 2-color tassels. Plus, they had the City Name, rather than a team name. This Giants pennant is 3/4 size, and looks much more like it's from the very late 1940s - mid 1950s.

The Giants switched from a Blue/Red color scheme to Black/Orange in 1947. Based on all of this, I feel strongly that it's an early - mid '50s NY Giants pennant.

Hope this helps!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Some good news, and some bad (to a far lesser extent...)

I completely agree with Greg that "feel" is the best indicator. But (without having it in-hand) I like the look and grain of the felt, as much as the pics can portray. Everything else about it also looks vintage and correct.

The Pin holes are a good sign, as are the little moth bites in the "A". Moths are not too hot on polyester blends, last I checked.

So with that said... what era is it from? Those previously discussed generic embroidered types from the Teens were all full-sized and had 2-color tassels. Plus, they had the City Name, rather than a team name. This Giants pennant is 3/4 size, and looks much more like it's from the very late 1940s - mid 1950s.

The Giants switched from a Blue/Red color scheme to Black/Orange in 1947. Based on all of this, I feel strongly that it's an early - mid '50s NY Giants pennant.

Hope this helps!

That does help! It is made of super soft felt. I noticed the tassels seem longer than usual....

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Didn’t we see a series of very old pennants like this with city names? Perhaps because of two NY teams the nickname was used.

We did and I just wasted one and a half hours of my life (that I’ll never get back), trying to find a fairly recent AH listing of maybe 8 of them. I’m thinking the auction was within the last year. I think the lot of 8 went for around $500, which may have been the opening bid. Does anyone remember whose auction that was?

I did find a couple of posts in this thread (page 60ish) where someone posted an original newspaper ad to those “city” pennants. Unlike mine, those had two different color tassels and the lettering was kind of 3-D. I’d still like to find that damn auction, though, so I can compare them to mine!

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by perezfan

The Giants switched from a Blue/Red color scheme to Black/Orange in 1947. Based on all of this, I feel strongly that it's an early - mid '50s NY Giants pennant.

I'm no heavy hitter, but I completely agree with Mark: it's likely from the late 1940s or 50s. These 26" long pennants were super, super common during that time frame. They seem to have become less popular by the 1960s.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

We did and I just wasted one and a half hours of my life (that I’ll never get back), trying to find a fairly recent AH listing of maybe 8 of them. I’m thinking the auction was within the last year. I think the lot of 8 went for around $500, which may have been the opening bid. Does anyone remember whose auction that was?

I did find a couple of posts in this thread (page 60ish) where someone posted an original newspaper ad to those “city” pennants. Unlike mine, those had two different color tassels and the lettering was kind of 3-D. I’d still like to find that damn auction, though, so I can compare them to mine!

Boom! See: https://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/...e?itemid=53212

Definitely not from the same series..... Those promo baseball pennants measured 10" x 30" and had a "Detroit Free Press" label on the reverse.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Boom! See: https://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/...e?itemid=53212

Definitely not from the same series..... Those promo baseball pennants measured 10" x 30" and had a "Detroit Free Press" label on the reverse.

Thank you! Definitely not close but at least now I can get on with my life.

The price was higher than I remembered. $177 ea.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

I'm no heavy hitter, but I completely agree with Mark: it's likely from the late 1940s or 50s. These 26" long pennants were super, super common during that time frame. They seem to have become less popular by the 1960s.

No heavy hitter? Are you kidding? You’re like a fully roided Barry Bonds playing in Coors Field! (Sorry Marc and Rob) ... your research is amazing and has greatly added to the enjoyment of my hobby.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

No heavy hitter? Are you kidding? You’re like a fully roided Barry Bonds playing in Coors Field! (Sorry Marc and Rob) ... your research is amazing and has greatly added to the enjoyment of my hobby.

I miss those days

[Domer05]

Did we ever determine whether that same newspaper (or another newspaper) ever released a similar pennant series for National League teams around the year 1913? I can't say I've ever seen a "BROOKLYN" pennant that was 10" x 30," had 3-D sewn letters, and multi-colored tassels before.

I'm thinking probably not, as Detroit was solely an American League city; and the Detroit Free Press likely didn't cover the National League teams too much in those days.

But who's to say another newspaper from a National League city wouldn't have tried the same promo using NL teams?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Did we ever determine whether that same newspaper (or another newspaper) ever released a similar pennant series for National League teams around the year 1913? I can't say I've ever seen a "BROOKLYN" pennant that was 10" x 30," had 3-D sewn letters, and multi-colored tassels before.

I'm thinking probably not, as Detroit was solely an American League city; and the Detroit Free Press likely didn't cover the National League teams too much in those days.

But who's to say another newspaper from a National League city wouldn't have tried the same promo using NL teams?

I think something probably would have turned up at some point. I have never seen the NL versions of those specific pennants (with the 2-color tassels and the 3D style embroidered lettering). I would surmise that there was never a National League version of those.... but you never know!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

No heavy hitter? Are you kidding? You’re like a fully roided Barry Bonds playing in Coors Field! (Sorry Marc and Rob) ... your research is amazing and has greatly added to the enjoyment of my hobby.

I agree with Kyle being a heavy hitter. But rather than a roided-up Bonds, I think he's more of a Rod Carew. Methodical, well-studied, patient, and uses his research to deliver the blow. Carew was a "hitting scientist" who put in the hard work, rather than taking illegal shortcuts as a path to success.

So I would say Kyle is the Rod Carew (or perhaps the Tony Gwynn) of this Forum. Greg is the Babe Ruth, and Baseball Rob is the Willie Mays. That guy who started the angry vindictive Glove Repair thread can be the Barry Bonds (roid-rage and all).

[Fballguy]

Not sure what this is but interesting that it's embroidered and has multicolored tassels. Seller claims from 1900s but offers no provenance to support that.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

That guy who started the angry vindictive Glove Repair thread can be the Barry Bonds (roid-rage and all).

Hey, now! Don't believe the hype!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Did we ever determine whether that same newspaper (or another newspaper) ever released a similar pennant series for National League teams around the year 1913? I can't say I've ever seen a "BROOKLYN" pennant that was 10" x 30," had 3-D sewn letters, and multi-colored tassels before.

If it was I who started calling them "3-D letters", I don't think that is accurate. "3-D" would be a border on on the left or right and top or bottom as if you were viewing from either side from above or below. Those "city name" pennants have fully outlined borders. Yes?

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I miss those days

I used to get in trouble with security for wearing my "Pitch To Barry" shirt to Dodger Stadium.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I agree with Kyle being a heavy hitter. But rather than a roided-up Bonds, I think he's more of a Rod Carew. Methodical, well-studied, patient, and uses his research to deliver the blow. Carew was a "hitting scientist" who put in the hard work, rather than taking illegal shortcuts as a path to success.

So I would say Kyle is the Rod Carew (or perhaps the Tony Gwynn) of this Forum. Greg is the Babe Ruth, and Baseball Rob is the Willie Mays. That guy who started the angry vindictive Glove Repair thread can be the Barry Bonds (roid-rage and all).

Well thank you, but in the broader baseball memorabilia world I’d be more like a Rob Deer. One dimensional!

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I agree with Kyle being a heavy hitter. But rather than a roided-up Bonds, I think he's more of a Rod Carew. Methodical, well-studied, patient, and uses his research to deliver the blow. Carew was a "hitting scientist" who put in the hard work, rather than taking illegal shortcuts as a path to success.

So I would say Kyle is the Rod Carew (or perhaps the Tony Gwynn) of this Forum. Greg is the Babe Ruth, and Baseball Rob is the Willie Mays. That guy who started the angry vindictive Glove Repair thread can be the Barry Bonds (roid-rage and all).

Oh man ... I AM ROD CAREW.....

Very well then, I pledge to only use my research for the good of our hobby.

[ser1979]

Big thanks to Fballguy for the opportunity to add these Tiger pennants to my collection.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Big thanks to Fballguy for the opportunity to add these Tiger pennants to my collection.

Awesome. You're welcome! Really glad they made it to you. The USPS has been an adventure lately. That was relatively quick considering.

[bocca001]

This is the most pristine white Giants pennant I've ever been able to buy. It's in really nice shape. My picture doesn't do it justice. It's not felt... more like a very stiff cloth material. Like cloth soaked in paint. Thanks to Greg for pointing it out to me.

[perezfan]

Great acquisitions, Stephen and Marc!!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

This is the most pristine white Giants pennant I've ever been able to buy. It's in really nice shape. My picture doesn't do it justice. It's not felt... more like a very stiff cloth material. Like cloth soaked in paint. Thanks to Greg for pointing it out to me.

Marc and I have had discussions about the 1969-197? ASCO set. You may recall I have an unhealthy obsession with trying to complete the 1969 set in cloth, with the distinct fat MLB mark. This is no doubt the same company. I need a few teams still ... I have them in felt not cloth ... but I have never seen the ‘69 cloth ASCO Giants. It likely looks like this one, I wonder if it is multicolor. The felt versions are all black on orange.

[ooo-ribay]

Well. boys, it's a momentous day here in the "Hey, pennant guys" thread because I have figured out how you Heavy Hitters can frame your oversized pennants. If you look in the "September pickups" thread. you'll see my latest, low end acquisition. It measured 22 x 28, so I bought a cheap ($12) 24 x 36 poster frame and cut it down (I do this with both plastic and wood frames).

With the leftover plexi, I framed a small NYG pennant. You could do the same with oversized pennants. The only tools you need are shown in the photo (those and a straight edge). You could get one frame out of a 24 x 36 frame or two out of a 27 x 40. Unfortunately, you would not have enough "edging" for the two but, with a steady hand, wrapping the edges with black electrical tape wouldn't look terrible....at least not to a "low end" guy like me.

I really hope someone (Greg?) tries this and posts the results!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Well. boys, it's a momentous day here in the "Hey, pennant guys" thread because I have figured out how you Heavy Hitters can frame your oversized pennants. If you look in the "September pickups" thread. you'll see my latest, low end acquisition. It measured 22 x 28, so I bought a cheap ($12) 24 x 36 poster frame and cut it down (I do this with both plastic and wood frames).

With the leftover plexi, I framed a small NYG pennant. You could do the same with oversized pennants. The only tools you need are shown in the photo (those and a straight edge). You could get one frame out of a 24 x 36 frame or two out of a 27 x 40. Unfortunately, you would have enough "edging" for the two but, with a steady hand, wrapping the edges with black electrical tape wouldn't look terrible....at least not to a "low end" guy like me.

I really hope someone (Greg?) tries this and posts the results!

That’s awesome!!! You used a utility knife to cut the plastic and it cut easy without chipping? Great work. I have been doing this with 20 and even 40 gauge vinyl rolls. I made 5 holders from a rolls that cost $40 which was almost half shipping. This looks fantastic.

And I should add that it’s an awesome pennant, too!

[thetahat]

I am definitely going to try this, Rob ... here is one of my vinyl holders which is soft but much thicker than soft sleeves. I’m also doing this for my minis which I am now collecting ...

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

That’s awesome!!! You used a utility knife to cut the plastic and it cut easy without chipping? Great work. I have been doing this with 20 and even 40 gauge vinyl rolls. I made 5 holders from a rolls that cost $40 which was almost half shipping. This looks fantastic.

And I should add that it’s an awesome pennant, too!

The little yellow tool is a plexiglass cutter. It basically scores the plexi, which then snaps cleanly. The plexi that comes in those cheap poster frames is very thin but I’ve also used this tool on heavier plexiglass (a 4’ x 8’ sheet). The utility knife would probably work on the thin stuff although the yellow tool only cost a few bucks. I used the utility knife to cut the cardboard backing and the “frame.”

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I am definitely going to try this, Rob ... here is one of my vinyl holders which is soft but much thicker than soft sleeves. I’m also doing this for my minis which I am now collecting ...

Gee Greg...

Couldn't you pick a better pennant to demonstrate your vinyl holder?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Gee Greg...

Couldn't you pick a better pennant to demonstrate your vinyl holder?

Ha .... yes this is one of my favorites, everything is stitched including the elephant. No paint.

[ooo-ribay]

Greg - I’d probably pop for the acrylic cutter. It drags out a little curl of plastic as you pull it towards you. The utility knife might work but it also might be too fine.

[thetahat]

Two recent pickups. Athletics is unknown year, but I suspect it is early 1930s at the latest. Maybe late teens? Very thick, soft felt. Normal size pennant. Red Sox is a Keezer, I guess they did multicolor only for local Sox. I found it interesting that despite having a spine, the tassels were stitched on the outside.

[bocca001]

I don't think I've ever seen tassels stitched that way before.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I don't think I've ever seen tassels stitched that way before.

Nor have I.

I did another little experiment a few days back...washing a pennant. Just hot water and some powdered laundry soap. I was a tad freaked at first but the stains shown in my picture came out completely. The red isn't any the worse for wear, altho the spine is a bit lighter now.

The old, cloth-like pennants seem really delicate when they are soaking wet!

[ooo-ribay]

I'm wondering if any of you knew Bob Rothschild? He was a pre-ebay, SCD pennant seller. My collection pretty much started with pennants bought from Bob in the 1990's.

[perezfan]

Same here! No pics in those SCD ads. Just a written one-line description for each item. I probably bought 25 of my very first Pennants from Bob. What a different world back then!

He was a no-nonsense Guy. Is Bob still around?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Same here! No pics in those SCD ads. Just a written one-line description for each item. I probably bought 25 of my very first Pennants from Bob. What a different world back then!

He was a no-nonsense Guy. Is Bob still around?

Don't know if he's still around. I think, back then, you still needed to consider the time of day for "long distance rates."

[perezfan]

Very true. And I still remember calling to reserve them, only to find they had sold days ago. SCD took forever just to reach the west coast.

[murphusa]

The halfway point between Bobs house in Jersey and mine was an exit of the Jersey turnpike. We met quit often back then