Hey, pennant guys

[thetahat]

I have no idea of era and feel is best indicator but I think it is vintage. I have some very old pennants with that same unique stitching at the very top and bottom of the spine (which doesn’t permit a dowel). I’ll see if I can find an example. .... Didn’t we see a series of very old pennants like this with city names? Perhaps because of two NY teams the nickname was used.

[bocca001]

I also had a Seals pennant that turned out to be not vintage that had the same type of spine (no way to slide in a stick) and stitched letters. I forget the name of the company that made it, but Seattlerainers helped me figure it out.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I have no idea of era and feel is best indicator but I think it is vintage. I have some very old pennants with that same unique stitching at the very top and bottom of the spine (which doesn’t permit a dowel). I’ll see if I can find an example. .... Didn’t we see a series of very old pennants like this with city names? Perhaps because of two NY teams the nickname was used.

Yeah, those auctioned recently. I’ll backtrack thru this thread. One somewhat comforting thing is that my pennant does have pinholes at the corners.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I have no idea of era and feel is best indicator but I think it is vintage. I have some very old pennants with that same unique stitching at the very top and bottom of the spine (which doesn’t permit a dowel). I’ll see if I can find an example. .... Didn’t we see a series of very old pennants like this with city names? Perhaps because of two NY teams the nickname was used.

Some good news, and some bad (to a far lesser extent...)

I completely agree with Greg that "feel" is the best indicator. But (without having it in-hand) I like the look and grain of the felt, as much as the pics can portray. Everything else about it also looks vintage and correct.

The Pin holes are a good sign, as are the little moth bites in the "A". Moths are not too hot on polyester blends, last I checked.

So with that said... what era is it from? Those previously discussed generic embroidered types from the Teens were all full-sized and had 2-color tassels. Plus, they had the City Name, rather than a team name. This Giants pennant is 3/4 size, and looks much more like it's from the very late 1940s - mid 1950s.

The Giants switched from a Blue/Red color scheme to Black/Orange in 1947. Based on all of this, I feel strongly that it's an early - mid '50s NY Giants pennant.

Hope this helps!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Some good news, and some bad (to a far lesser extent...)

I completely agree with Greg that "feel" is the best indicator. But (without having it in-hand) I like the look and grain of the felt, as much as the pics can portray. Everything else about it also looks vintage and correct.

The Pin holes are a good sign, as are the little moth bites in the "A". Moths are not too hot on polyester blends, last I checked.

So with that said... what era is it from? Those previously discussed generic embroidered types from the Teens were all full-sized and had 2-color tassels. Plus, they had the City Name, rather than a team name. This Giants pennant is 3/4 size, and looks much more like it's from the very late 1940s - mid 1950s.

The Giants switched from a Blue/Red color scheme to Black/Orange in 1947. Based on all of this, I feel strongly that it's an early - mid '50s NY Giants pennant.

Hope this helps!

That does help! It is made of super soft felt. I noticed the tassels seem longer than usual....

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by perezfan

The Giants switched from a Blue/Red color scheme to Black/Orange in 1947. Based on all of this, I feel strongly that it's an early - mid '50s NY Giants pennant.

I'm no heavy hitter, but I completely agree with Mark: it's likely from the late 1940s or 50s. These 26" long pennants were super, super common during that time frame. They seem to have become less popular by the 1960s.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

I'm no heavy hitter, but I completely agree with Mark: it's likely from the late 1940s or 50s. These 26" long pennants were super, super common during that time frame. They seem to have become less popular by the 1960s.

No heavy hitter? Are you kidding? You’re like a fully roided Barry Bonds playing in Coors Field! (Sorry Marc and Rob) ... your research is amazing and has greatly added to the enjoyment of my hobby.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

No heavy hitter? Are you kidding? You’re like a fully roided Barry Bonds playing in Coors Field! (Sorry Marc and Rob) ... your research is amazing and has greatly added to the enjoyment of my hobby.

I miss those days

[Domer05]

Did we ever determine whether that same newspaper (or another newspaper) ever released a similar pennant series for National League teams around the year 1913? I can't say I've ever seen a "BROOKLYN" pennant that was 10" x 30," had 3-D sewn letters, and multi-colored tassels before.

I'm thinking probably not, as Detroit was solely an American League city; and the Detroit Free Press likely didn't cover the National League teams too much in those days.

But who's to say another newspaper from a National League city wouldn't have tried the same promo using NL teams?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Did we ever determine whether that same newspaper (or another newspaper) ever released a similar pennant series for National League teams around the year 1913? I can't say I've ever seen a "BROOKLYN" pennant that was 10" x 30," had 3-D sewn letters, and multi-colored tassels before.

I'm thinking probably not, as Detroit was solely an American League city; and the Detroit Free Press likely didn't cover the National League teams too much in those days.

But who's to say another newspaper from a National League city wouldn't have tried the same promo using NL teams?

I think something probably would have turned up at some point. I have never seen the NL versions of those specific pennants (with the 2-color tassels and the 3D style embroidered lettering). I would surmise that there was never a National League version of those.... but you never know!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Did we ever determine whether that same newspaper (or another newspaper) ever released a similar pennant series for National League teams around the year 1913? I can't say I've ever seen a "BROOKLYN" pennant that was 10" x 30," had 3-D sewn letters, and multi-colored tassels before.

If it was I who started calling them "3-D letters", I don't think that is accurate. "3-D" would be a border on on the left or right and top or bottom as if you were viewing from either side from above or below. Those "city name" pennants have fully outlined borders. Yes?

[erikc21]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Did we ever determine whether that same newspaper (or another newspaper) ever released a similar pennant series for National League teams around the year 1913? I can't say I've ever seen a "BROOKLYN" pennant that was 10" x 30," had 3-D sewn letters, and multi-colored tassels before.

I'm thinking probably not, as Detroit was solely an American League city; and the Detroit Free Press likely didn't cover the National League teams too much in those days.

But who's to say another newspaper from a National League city wouldn't have tried the same promo using NL teams?

Attached are a few Detroit Free Press clippings I obtained. I believe some of these were listed before? Although I don’t have advertisements listing all NL pennants, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Brooklyn are all references which leads me to believe these and other NL teams were likely produced (or were intended to be). They also reference the ‘two color shaded letters’ and ‘two-colored strings’.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I miss those days

I used to get in trouble with security for wearing my "Pitch To Barry" shirt to Dodger Stadium.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

No heavy hitter? Are you kidding? You’re like a fully roided Barry Bonds playing in Coors Field! (Sorry Marc and Rob) ... your research is amazing and has greatly added to the enjoyment of my hobby.

I agree with Kyle being a heavy hitter. But rather than a roided-up Bonds, I think he's more of a Rod Carew. Methodical, well-studied, patient, and uses his research to deliver the blow. Carew was a "hitting scientist" who put in the hard work, rather than taking illegal shortcuts as a path to success.

So I would say Kyle is the Rod Carew (or perhaps the Tony Gwynn) of this Forum. Greg is the Babe Ruth, and Baseball Rob is the Willie Mays. That guy who started the angry vindictive Glove Repair thread can be the Barry Bonds (roid-rage and all).

[Fballguy]

Not sure what this is but interesting that it's embroidered and has multicolored tassels. Seller claims from 1900s but offers no provenance to support that.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

That guy who started the angry vindictive Glove Repair thread can be the Barry Bonds (roid-rage and all).

Hey, now! Don't believe the hype!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I agree with Kyle being a heavy hitter. But rather than a roided-up Bonds, I think he's more of a Rod Carew. Methodical, well-studied, patient, and uses his research to deliver the blow. Carew was a "hitting scientist" who put in the hard work, rather than taking illegal shortcuts as a path to success.

So I would say Kyle is the Rod Carew (or perhaps the Tony Gwynn) of this Forum. Greg is the Babe Ruth, and Baseball Rob is the Willie Mays. That guy who started the angry vindictive Glove Repair thread can be the Barry Bonds (roid-rage and all).

Well thank you, but in the broader baseball memorabilia world I’d be more like a Rob Deer. One dimensional!

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I agree with Kyle being a heavy hitter. But rather than a roided-up Bonds, I think he's more of a Rod Carew. Methodical, well-studied, patient, and uses his research to deliver the blow. Carew was a "hitting scientist" who put in the hard work, rather than taking illegal shortcuts as a path to success.

So I would say Kyle is the Rod Carew (or perhaps the Tony Gwynn) of this Forum. Greg is the Babe Ruth, and Baseball Rob is the Willie Mays. That guy who started the angry vindictive Glove Repair thread can be the Barry Bonds (roid-rage and all).

Oh man ... I AM ROD CAREW.....

Very well then, I pledge to only use my research for the good of our hobby.

[ser1979]

Big thanks to Fballguy for the opportunity to add these Tiger pennants to my collection.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Didn’t we see a series of very old pennants like this with city names? Perhaps because of two NY teams the nickname was used.

We did and I just wasted one and a half hours of my life (that I’ll never get back), trying to find a fairly recent AH listing of maybe 8 of them. I’m thinking the auction was within the last year. I think the lot of 8 went for around $500, which may have been the opening bid. Does anyone remember whose auction that was?

I did find a couple of posts in this thread (page 60ish) where someone posted an original newspaper ad to those “city” pennants. Unlike mine, those had two different color tassels and the lettering was kind of 3-D. I’d still like to find that damn auction, though, so I can compare them to mine!

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

We did and I just wasted one and a half hours of my life (that I’ll never get back), trying to find a fairly recent AH listing of maybe 8 of them. I’m thinking the auction was within the last year. I think the lot of 8 went for around $500, which may have been the opening bid. Does anyone remember whose auction that was?

I did find a couple of posts in this thread (page 60ish) where someone posted an original newspaper ad to those “city” pennants. Unlike mine, those had two different color tassels and the lettering was kind of 3-D. I’d still like to find that damn auction, though, so I can compare them to mine!

Boom! See: https://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/...e?itemid=53212

Definitely not from the same series..... Those promo baseball pennants measured 10" x 30" and had a "Detroit Free Press" label on the reverse.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Boom! See: https://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/...e?itemid=53212

Definitely not from the same series..... Those promo baseball pennants measured 10" x 30" and had a "Detroit Free Press" label on the reverse.

Thank you! Definitely not close but at least now I can get on with my life.

The price was higher than I remembered. $177 ea.