T206 Black vs Brown Lenox

[MVSNYC]

Hi Ted, very cool theory, and I'm sure very likely the case!

One comment- the Cairo Monopol ink doesn't look very brown; almost black actually. Is it just that scan? Is it more brown in real life?

Thanks!

[Rhotchkiss]

The brown Lenox ink is darker than brown old mill and brown Hindu (I think the same ink), I think similar to the T80 Lenox and Cairo Monopol

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Hi Ted, very cool theory, and I'm sure very likely the case!

One comment- the Cairo Monopol ink doesn't look very brown; almost black actually. Is it just that scan? Is it more brown in real life?

Thanks!

Mike




I have had T80 Cairo Monopol cards with a lighter Brown appearance than the one I have in this scan.
However, the other factor to consider is the "boldness" of the lettering of the "Cairo Monopol" brand name,
which has the effect of making it look darker. Whereas the thinner lettering of......
"CIGARETTES
MILITARY
SERIES
ASSORTED SUBJECTS "......appears as a lighter brown script similar to the narrower T206 brown LENOX lettering.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Jobu]

This is not my card, but it looks like it is unconfirmed. PSA doesn't call it brown, but I think it is.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Jobu

This is not my card, but it looks like it is unconfirmed. PSA doesn't call it brown, but I think it is.

Hi Bryan

The grader is colored-blind"....you and I are not

It is definitely a Brown LENOX. These LENOX backs vary in their shades of brown.

I have added Crawford (bat) to my confirmed list.

Thanks for posting this card.


350/460 series subjects confirmed with Brown LENOX backs

Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pfeister (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Wagner (bat on right shoulder)
Willetts
Willis (bat)


T206 350/460 series....Group B (Brown LENOX candidates)




TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

Reprising the Brown LENOX cards from the T206 460-only series.

460-only series subjects confirmed with Brown LENOX backs.......




Chase (trophy)
Latham
Marquard (pitching)
Merkle (throwing)
Schlei (portrait)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)

According to my theory, there are 3 more subjects from the 460-only series,
which I expect will eventually be found with Brown LENOX backs......

Schlei (batting)

Schaefer (Washington)

Seymour (portrait)


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[mrvster]

Great thread!!!

brown Old Mill are scraps , brown Lenox are factory cut!!!

would love to see an example of a brown Lenox scrap! but they might have not made it to that pile



yes....seems very much to be the case.....printer always had an "interim" set up before different issues in AL New York:

Bitters Lash, Oakes Tobbacco, T 68 Men of History, and i'm sure many others...


being a scrap collector, they are the "missing links" that usually correlate issues on con current printing...

brown lenox were "subtle" brown, the printer probably just snuck them through....BOM are more obvious and were probably "scrapped"

Ted....check out my multi strike thread.....has some scrap tolstoi multi strike and other puzzle pieces....

T - 68 Men/History/


looks like has the same run on the grouping of Devore, McGraw, Devore, Tannehill....etc

just LIKE THE YELLOW BROWN SCRAPS! they are correlated to Broadleaf 460 printing

must have been "super printed" sheets of those


ps

I never owned a brown Lenox , but might in the future

[mrvster]

you have a brown Lenox Cobb right??

[Maculay1979]

Originally Posted by Jobu

This is not my card, but it looks like it is unconfirmed. PSA doesn't call it brown, but I think it is.

From the prior post it looks like this same card was relabeled as black with PSA

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Mike




I have had T80 Cairo Monopol cards with a lighter Brown appearance than the one I have in this scan.
However, the other factor to consider is the "boldness" of the lettering of the "Cairo Monopol" brand name,
which has the effect of making it look darker. Whereas the thinner lettering of......
"CIGARETTES
MILITARY
SERIES
ASSORTED SUBJECTS "......appears as a lighter brown script similar to the narrower T206 brown LENOX lettering.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted, I see what you mean, thanks!

Very cool thread!

[mrvster]

Yes! the yellow browns would fall under that grouping correct....

T206RESOURCE lists red cobb brown lenox as a possible, but not confirmed

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Ted
Yes! the yellow browns would fall under that grouping correct....

T206RESOURCE lists red cobb brown lenox as a possible, but not confirmed

Johnny, ole buddy

Next time check-out my T206 REFERENCE thread (posts #8 and 171) and you will get the true scoop.

T206resource is mis-leading T206 collectors by stating a red Cobb is possible with a brown LENOX back.

I'm certain that it does not exist, that I will offer anyone one of these crisp $100 who finds an authentic
brown LENOX red Cobb.





TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Leon]

I have the hardest time distinguishing between black and brown. But then again I am not very brown-green color adept, according to tests I have taken. I need to stick to other backs...
Cool cards in the thread!

[mrvster]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

now that's putting your money where your mouth is!!!!

hahahaha

well, we have yet to see one....right now we have a "Yetti"