T206 Black vs Brown Lenox

[Rhotchkiss]

So much for discussions about Lenox.....

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Here is a comparison of the rare Black Lenox vs the super-duper rare Brown Lenox. Anyone else have a black and brown combo?

Anyone know the theory on why there are browns, why they were distributed in packs, whether all blacks should conceivably have at least one brown counterpart out there, why some players seem to have a decent amount of Browns (McQuillan - like 4-5) and others have one (or none)?

What do we know about the elusive Brown Lenox?

Ryan

I'm sorry about this....but, as Billy Joel sang "I Didn't Start This Fire".

I simply responded to your 1st post here with my theory on how brown LENOX cards could have been printed, and which T206 subjects can (or will be) found with brown LENOX backs.

And BAM ! "Mr. Negativism" had to resort to his usual B-S tactics. He's done this numerous times in the past on other Threads that I have posted on.


TED Z

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[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

So much for discussions about Lenox.....

+1

I do not do 06s but do follow many of the threads more out of fascination about how complex the set is and the passion 06 collectors have for the issue but I have to say that I have seen Ted go bonkers on people for taking his thread OT but here he seems to be ok with hijacking this one. That is sorta disappointing.

[Rhotchkiss]

Ted, thanks for the post, and Patrick thank you for the email. I have born (online) witness to several t206 dust-ups between you two. The upside to them is the passion - in a world so polarized by politics and social issues, I love that people argue about t206 print runs!! That said, the banter does tend to hijack the threads, and I had to point that out. All good.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

+1

I do not do 06s but do follow many of the threads more out of fascination about how complex the set is and the passion 06 collectors have for the issue but I have to say that I have seen Ted go bonkers on people for taking his thread OT but here he seems to be ok with hijacking this one. That is sorta disappointing.

What is very "DISAPPOINTING" is your blaming me for this situation ! I did not "HI-JACK" Ryan's thread ! !
The other guy did, starting with his erroneous comments in post #22. To which I corrected, and he went berserk.

Ryan (1st post) asked some questions regarding the the brown LENOX cards. I simply responded (in post #10) with my theory on how brown LENOX cards may have been printed,
and which T206 subjects can (or will be) found with brown LENOX backs. I presented this theory several years ago, and it has withstood the test of time.

Then (post #22) things started to go off the track when Pat criticized my comment about "T206 LENOX card and a T80 LENOX card in the same pack of LENOX Cigarettes".

His criticism was absolutely unwarranted since his evidence was based on T79 cards (not T80 cards). He ignored my correction, and proceeded to go off on a tangent bashing me.


Hey Chase (Lorewalker), do review the posts in this thread and it will become obvious to you (and anyone else) that I DID NOT start this situation. Your faulting me is unwarranted.


TED Z

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[tedzan]

OK, let's get this LENOX train back on it's mainline track. Listed here (in color) are the T206 subjects that are confirmed Brown LENOX cards.
They are interleaved with subjects that are possible Brown LENOX candidates.

Thanks to Ryan for starting this thread. And, thanks to Bryan (Post #18), we have added one new confirmed Brown LENOX....Crawford (bat).
If we continue this train rolling down the tracks, perhaps we will discover another new Brown LENOX card (or even more). There are 12 more
possible subjects.

Hey guys, take a good close look at your LENOX cards. You may be surprised to find a Brown LENOX hiding in your T206 collection


CONFIRMED (25 subjects)......... and, additional possible Candidates that eventually may be confirmed.

Berger

Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Chase (trophy)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)

Jennings (two hands)

Lajoie (bat)
Jordan (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Latham
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Merkle (throwing)

Mullin (bat)

Overall (yellow sky)

Pelty (vertical)

Pfeister (throwing)
Schlei (portrait)

Schlei (batting)
Schaefer (Washington)
Seymour (portrait)

F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)

Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)

Wagner (bat on right shoulder)

Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)

Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)

Wiltse (pitching)



TED Z

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[Maculay1979]

HA has this listed as brown. Can we confirm it is Brown and not Black?

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Maculay1979

HA has this listed as brown. Can we confirm it is Brown and not Black?

I need to see it in hand, but I would bet heavy the BVG is a BLACK Lenox. The PSA one, which I bought last night, is almost certainly brown and PSA messed it up. Compare to the tinker brown Lenox I bought (I also own 7-8 other browns). PSA messes up all the time and this is one of those cases; it will eventually be reholdered properly by SGC. What surprises me is the Heritage description calling the BVG brown.

Ted, you can put the Tinker into the confirmed list

[tedzan]

Ryan

Your request regarding Tinker is done, Here's the new updated Brown LENOX checklist......

Listed here (in brown color) are the T206 subjects that have been confirmed with Brown LENOX backs. They are interleaved with subjects (in
black color) that are possible Brown LENOX candidates.

Let's continue this train rolling down the tracks, perhaps we will discover another new Brown LENOX card (or even more). There are 11 more
possible subjects.

Hey guys, take a good close look at your LENOX cards. You may be surprised to find a Brown LENOX hiding in your T206 collection


CONFIRMED (26 Brown LENOX subjects)......... and, additional possible Candidates that eventually may be confirmed.

Berger

Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Chase (trophy)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)

Jennings (two hands)

Lajoie (bat)
Jordan (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Latham
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Merkle (throwing)

Mullin (bat)

Overall (yellow sky)

Pelty (vertical)

Pfeister (throwing)
Schlei (portrait)

Schlei (batting)
Schaefer (Washington)
Seymour (portrait)

F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)

Steinfeldt (bat)

Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right shoulder)

Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)

Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)

Wiltse (pitching)



TED Z

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I need to see it in hand, but I would bet heavy the BVG is a BLACK Lenox. The PSA one, which I bought last night, is almost certainly brown and PSA messed it up. Compare to the tinker brown Lenox I bought (I also own 7-8 other browns). PSA messes up all the time and this is one of those cases; it will eventually be reholdered properly by SGC. What surprises me is the Heritage description calling the BVG brown.

Ted, you can put the Tinker into the confirmed list

The BVG is definitely brown.