Are my expectations too high? Creased vintage cards

[tiger8mush]

raw or graded, when buying online you MUST see a good quality scan and buy from a reputable person/dealer. Consider using a credit card thru paypal for double buyer protection.

Sometimes even a graded "2" can be more aesthetically pleasing than a "5". So buy the card, not the grade.

[wdwfan]

Thanks for the tip. I have tried to take good looks at scans when buying online. But I know there's some stuff you can't see through a scan.

As far as payment, I only buy when I have paypal money available (from selling other cards). That way I don't link it to a bank account and don't run up a credit card that I may not be able to pay back. I don't like to use our family money for cards.

Also I don't buy graded. I've never dealt in it, and I don't want to start. I'm strictly a raw person (I enjoy putting the cards into pages in my notebook and in my set).

I've had people, especially here, ask for my email, but I'm reluctant to give it out. I don't know what the other person is going to do with it. That's another question I have. Why does everyone go through email? I don't understand why people can't just post the IMG link from Imgur, Photobucket, whatever, to a PM or the thread.

So sometimes I've bought without actually seeing scans and just going off what the seller/other trader tells me as far as condition, creases, etc. But that's only here and just a couple of times. I actually haven't been burned, knock on wood, when that's happened. It's only when I've seen photos.

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

raw or graded, when buying online you MUST see a good quality scan and buy from a reputable person/dealer. Consider using a credit card thru paypal for double buyer protection.

Sometimes even a graded "2" can be more aesthetically pleasing than a "5". So buy the card, not the grade.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by wdwfan

Thanks for the tip. I have tried to take good looks at scans when buying online. But I know there's some stuff you can't see through a scan.

As far as payment, I only buy when I have paypal money available (from selling other cards). That way I don't link it to a bank account and don't run up a credit card that I may not be able to pay back. I don't like to use our family money for cards.

Also I don't buy graded. I've never dealt in it, and I don't want to start. I'm strictly a raw person (I enjoy putting the cards into pages in my notebook and in my set).

I've had people, especially here, ask for my email, but I'm reluctant to give it out. I don't know what the other person is going to do with it. That's another question I have. Why does everyone go through email? I don't understand why people can't just post the IMG link from Imgur, Photobucket, whatever, to a PM or the thread.

So sometimes I've bought without actually seeing scans and just going off what the seller/other trader tells me as far as condition, creases, etc. But that's only here and just a couple of times. I actually haven't been burned, knock on wood, when that's happened. It's only when I've seen photos.

Email is just so much easier. Why would you be worried about someone getting your email?

Just for fun and easily the 5th time, why would you throw out creased cards? It makes zero sense. You could easily sell/trade them on here. Just list them at a real price and not NrMint price with a supposed discount.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Just for fun and easily the 5th time, why would you throw out creased cards? It makes zero sense. You could easily sell/trade them on here. Just list them at a real price and not NrMint price with a supposed discount.

There are lots of people on this site that deal in low grade cards, especially for commons. It makes a set much cheaper especially when commons for the most part don't sell the set at a future date.

I also request email to send pictures. I don't know any other way to do it.

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[cardsagain74]

I practically ignore a raw card's listed grade with most dealers. There are so many who overgrade their inventory on ebay that it's tough not to, and sometimes it can get pretty bad (one dealer, who I've seen post here occasionally, comes to mind where I would usually expect three grades lower than the listing).

Have just tried to use the zoomed-in pics as much as possible. And if they still hid damage that wasn't mentioned in the description either, then send it back. Thankfully that hasn't happened a lot though

[Leon]

+1 on all accounts.

Originally Posted by bnorth

Email is just so much easier. Why would you be worried about someone getting your email?

Just for fun and easily the 5th time, why would you throw out creased cards? It makes zero sense. You could easily sell/trade them on here. Just list them at a real price and not NrMint price with a supposed discount.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Email is just so much easier. Why would you be worried about someone getting your email?

Just for fun and easily the 5th time, why would you throw out creased cards? It makes zero sense. You could easily sell/trade them on here. Just list them at a real price and not NrMint price with a supposed discount.

But- be sure to mention any creases...to the point of giving the exact spot on the card where the crease is and estimate its length.

My preferred vintage card source on ebay is the Battersbox- I have never purchased a creased card from them and do not recall seeing one described as having any crease. (Though that may be because I skip to the next listing if creases are mentioned.)

I usually go for EX-MT or EM as some call it...you pay more but not as much as legit NMs.

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[Flintboy]

If you go by PSA grading standards I believe a 5 (EX) can have a crease.

[wdwfan]

Really? Well that's my question. So I guess I do need to up my standards. I don't mind being OC a little (maybe 70-30) or fuzzy corners. But I can't stand creases.

Originally Posted by Flintboy

If you go by PSA grading standards I believe a 5 (EX) can have a crease.

[swarmee]

An EX should not have a crease, but PSA allows for a "surface wrinkle" which is a ripple on one side of the card only to remain an EX (probably on the back). However, no, you're not being too tough. If an online seller is going to call something EX they should divulge if there are creases.

[wdwfan]

I'm not sure why I'd be worried about my email being given out to people here. I'm just really trying to be secure. I've been hit 2 times over the years with ID theft. So I'm really hesitant to give stuff out line (credit card information, address/telephone, email, etc). I'm just trying to be precautious. Plus, I only check email about 2 times a week. I'm on here almost every day, if not every day, and multiple times a day at that.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by wdwfan

I'm not sure why I'd be worried about my email being given out to people here. I'm just really trying to be secure. I've been hit 2 times over the years with ID theft. So I'm really hesitant to give stuff out line (credit card information, address/telephone, email, etc). I'm just trying to be precautious. Plus, I only check email about 2 times a week. I'm on here almost every day, if not every day, and multiple times a day at that.

Why not create a separate email address for your card dealings? No worries about ID theft...

[999Tony]

I’m still a relative newbie — vg are allowed creases By grading standards and commonly have them. I agree it is extremely annoying to get vg cards with undisclosed creases. I personally either sell as good or vg with crease.

Op has several times in past mentioned throwing away lower condition cards. I messaged him a while back requesting he not. I know he put at least one lot of lesser common cards I think from the 60s that had almost no value up for sale a while back so he did make an effort. Not sure if anyone ever bought the lot. But it is a pain to sell poor commons— not worth the hassle to sell 20 cards for a dollar or two.

Sometimes hard to even give them away. I send them for free 20-30 in an envelope and there aren’t many who want them even for free, though I just sent out a bunch. Some probably get thrown away.

I currently have two 54b rizzutos missing most of the paper on front though backs aren’t too bad if anyone wants for free. Not even obcers wanted these!

[tiger8mush]

If you buy graded, you can remove it from the plastic and put it into binders. Many of us here do that:
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=200591

Not much anyone can do with your email. Mine is tiger8mush@yahoo.com and I'm sure I've posted it here 100s of times. I guess you could sign me up for spam but otherwise its like knowing your street address or your license plate.

I do agree though, if someone is posting for sale on the forum, I prefer to see pics. I almost never request a pic if they don't post one. Many times I've made a purchase based on a pic of a card I think looks neat that otherwise I wouldn't have.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by Flintboy

If you go by PSA grading standards I believe a 5 (EX) can have a crease.

Per PSA "Standards" - Nothing above VG-EX with a "crease".

If I'm not sure I normally send the seller an email and ask specifically - "Do they have any creases"

EX-MT 6
Excellent-Mint
A PSA EX-MT 6 card may have visible surface wear or a printing defect which does not detract from its overall appeal. A very light scratch may be detected only upon close inspection. Corners may have slightly graduated fraying. Picture focus may be slightly out-of-register. Card may show some loss of original gloss, may have minor wax stain on reverse, may exhibit very slight notching on edges and may also show some off-whiteness on borders. Centering must be 80/20 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.

EX 5
Excellent
On PSA EX-5 cards, very minor rounding of the corners is becoming evident. Surface wear or printing defects are more visible. There may be minor chipping on edges. Loss of original gloss will be more apparent. Focus of picture may be slightly out-of-register. Several light scratches may be visible upon close inspection, but do not detract from the appeal of the card. Card may show some off-whiteness of borders. Centering must be 85/15 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.

VG-EX 4
Very Good-Excellent
A PSA VG-EX 4 card's corners may be slightly rounded. Surface wear is noticeable but modest. The card may have light scuffing or light scratches. Some original gloss will be retained. Borders may be slightly off-white. A light crease may be visible. Centering must be 85/15 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.

VG 3
Very Good
A PSA VG 3 card reveals some rounding of the corners, though not extreme. Some surface wear will be apparent, along with possible light scuffing or light scratches. Focus may be somewhat off-register and edges may exhibit noticeable wear. Much, but not all, of the card's original gloss will be lost. Borders may be somewhat yellowed and/or discolored. A crease may be visible. Printing defects are possible. Slight stain may show on obverse and wax staining on reverse may be more prominent. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back.