Are my expectations too high? Creased vintage cards

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Kutcher55

Generally on mid grade raw if they don't specifically say the card doesn't have a crease you almost have to assume it has a crease. This is especially true if the card is priced well, unfortunately.

I have been collecting '57s and I share your pain. Been burned numerous times. I have gravitated toward sellers that are communicative.

It's a pet peeve of mine these days that so many sellers are unwilling to give their raw cards a grade, and just throw their hands up insinuating that because they don't work for PSA, it's not safe to hazard a guess as to the grade of the card. "I'm not a professional". Ok great, but stand behind what you sell. Describe the corners and the centering and the surface wear at least if you are afraid to say and let buyers judge for themselves. Grading was a thing long before professional graders. When I sell something online I'm going to tell you I think it's EX-MT, or VG-EX, or what have you. I may be wrong, but at least I'm telling you. That's the respectable thing to do.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

It's a pet peeve of mine these days that so many sellers are unwilling to give their raw cards a grade, and just throw their hands up insinuating that because they don't work for PSA, it's not safe to hazard a guess as to the grade of the card. "I'm not a professional". Ok great, but stand behind what you sell. Describe the corners and the centering and the surface wear at least if you are afraid to say and let buyers judge for themselves. Grading was a thing long before professional graders. When I sell something online I'm going to tell you I think it's EX-MT, or VG-EX, or what have you. I may be wrong, but at least I'm telling you. That's the respectable thing to do.

As a buyer, I hear you 100%. As a seller, i cant say i blame other sellers for not assigning a grade. I stopped assigning grades when i was ripped off several years ago selling a group of a couple hundred exmt commons, and graded them as such. Got an email from the buyer claiming they were vg at best, then he sent me vg commons back and of course ebay gave him a refund. I imagine had i not assigned a grade and just said “see photos” it would have given him another hurdle....idk. Point being, i see the risk and don’t judge those not willing to take it.

[CurtisFlood]

Originally Posted by conor912

As a buyer, I hear you 100%. As a seller, i cant say i blame other sellers for not assigning a grade. I stopped assigning grades when i was ripped off several years ago selling a group of a couple hundred exmt commons, and graded them as such. Got an email from the buyer claiming they were vg at best, then he sent me vg commons back and of course ebay gave him a refund. I imagine had i not assigned a grade and just said “see photos” it would have given him another hurdle....idk. Point being, i see the risk and don’t judge those not willing to take it.

I once sold a large lot of 71 commons and conservatively said the lot averaged ExMt, when they really were better than that. They guy that got them complained that they were NMt and not as advertised. I guess he wanted the lower grade. People are funny sometimes.

[CurtisFlood]

Originally Posted by conor912

As a buyer, I hear you 100%. As a seller, i cant say i blame other sellers for not assigning a grade. I stopped assigning grades when i was ripped off several years ago selling a group of a couple hundred exmt commons, and graded them as such. Got an email from the buyer claiming they were vg at best, then he sent me vg commons back and of course ebay gave him a refund. I imagine had i not assigned a grade and just said “see photos” it would have given him another hurdle....idk. Point being, i see the risk and don’t judge those not willing to take it.

I once sold a large lot of 71 commons and conservatively said the lot averaged ExMt, when they really were better than that. They guy that got them complained that they were NMt and not as advertised. I guess he wanted the lower grade. People are funny sometimes.

[CurtisFlood]

Originally Posted by conor912

As a buyer, I hear you 100%. As a seller, i cant say i blame other sellers for not assigning a grade. I stopped assigning grades when i was ripped off several years ago selling a group of a couple hundred exmt commons, and graded them as such. Got an email from the buyer claiming they were vg at best, then he sent me vg commons back and of course ebay gave him a refund. I imagine had i not assigned a grade and just said “see photos” it would have given him another hurdle....idk. Point being, i see the risk and don’t judge those not willing to take it.

I once sold a large lot of 71 commons and conservatively said the lot averaged ExMt, when they really were better than that. They guy that got them complained that they were NMt and not as advertised. I guess he wanted the lower grade. People are funny sometimes.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by conor912

As a buyer, I hear you 100%. As a seller, i cant say i blame other sellers for not assigning a grade. I stopped assigning grades when i was ripped off several years ago selling a group of a couple hundred exmt commons, and graded them as such. Got an email from the buyer claiming they were vg at best, then he sent me vg commons back and of course ebay gave him a refund. I imagine had i not assigned a grade and just said “see photos” it would have given him another hurdle....idk. Point being, i see the risk and don’t judge those not willing to take it.

I get it. In the modern hobby, precision with grading raw cards leads to nit-picking like this, unfortunately. I'm still going to give grades and detail on things I sell personally, because I think it's the right thing to do. For a lot, I guess you just have to put out disclaimers along the lines "some better, some worse". If you don't want to deal with someone getting picky - then be sure to highlight if you have a no-return policy. Though if a buyer decides to dig in and challenge it, eBay has a history of siding with them. It's a risk you take.