Small Traditions LLC/SCANDAL UPDATE

[Leon]

Something I said back then makes as much sense today..

Sometimes when ya' sit back and think about it, resubmitting in a holder shouldn't be allowed. If you want to resubmit you have to crack it and send it in. And all submissions would truly be anonymous to the graders. Whatever it gets it gets. That would seem more arms length than submitting in a holder and not being able to go down in grade or arguing, especially in person, for a better one (admittedly I have done that and rarely succeeded . )

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[swarmee]

It's amazing to see how many trimmed Exhibits and postcards are going through Small Traditions, then compare it to the grades that the PACK-PULLED Exhibit cards submitted through Vintage Breaks that mainly get EX-MT 6s straight from cello packs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-SwEMvt7fw

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by swarmee

It's amazing to see how many trimmed Exhibits and postcards are going through Small Traditions, then compare it to the grades that the PACK-PULLED Exhibit cards submitted through Vintage Breaks that mainly get EX-MT 6s straight from cello packs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-SwEMvt7fw

Instead of using the word "amazing" to describe it, I believe that "depressing", "corrupt", "fixed", "rigged", "pre-arranged" or "agreed upon" would have been more descriptive words for what's going on.

There's nothing amazing about it any more. These grading discrepancies have become predictable and expected.

But keep right on submitting, people, as you never know when that miraculous 10 might "pop" for little old you!

[BigBeerGut]

PSA is not in on the scandal.
The people trim the card and PSA just grades it.
You guys really make me laugh!

[Johnny630]

PSA is TEFLON WILL NEVER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR RENDERING THEIR OPINION
MONEY TALKS AND BULL SHIT WALKS

Sure It’s rigged always has always will be EVERYONE KNOWS THIS ITS ALL PRICED IN ......sometimes you just have to go your own way....the time to sell is now

[Gradedcardman]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

PSA is not in on the scandal.
The people trim the card and PSA just grades it.
You guys really make me laugh!

If it measures correctly then they ALL grade them. Unless they hire forensic scientists i'm sure it will remain this way. As the last post said, if you don't like it sell and collect stamps or coins, no fraud in those hobbies.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

If it measures correctly then they ALL grade them. Unless they hire forensic scientists i'm sure it will remain this way. As the last post said, if you don't like it sell and collect stamps or coins, no fraud in those hobbies.

Many of these cards DON'T MEASURE CORRECTLY. Check all the amounts trimmed off the Exhibits and the postcards. Just having an example in house or the proper measurement of these cards in their database (especially since they've already graded these EXACT CARDS untrimmed) would have returned them all to David Thorne as AUTH ALTERED.
PSA is incompetent and until this year, hasn't claimed they've ever blocked a submitter for submitting vast amounts of alterations*. Knowingly accepting submissions from Gary Moser for 15 YEARS after knowing he submits trimmed cards makes them LIABLE. If you don't think PSA isn't in on the fraud, you aren't reading enough of the threads.

*To my knowledge. I would love to see evidence that they've blocked card alterers in the past. Would love to see the list of all the people blocked for fraud purposes. I have been blocked for complaining about their sorry POS company online. There's probably more people on my list than those that are actively defrauding collectors. It's all part of the cover up, right? I would love to see their block list and the reasons each person was blocked; at least the "NEVER GET CHEATED" company would warn all of us about fraudsters, right?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Many of these cards DON'T MEASURE CORRECTLY. Check all the amounts trimmed off the Exhibits and the postcards. Just having an example in house or the proper measurement of these cards in their database (especially since they've already graded these EXACT CARDS untrimmed) would have returned them all to David Thorne as AUTH ALTERED.
PSA is incompetent and until this year, hasn't claimed they've ever blocked a submitter for submitting vast amounts of alterations*. Knowingly accepting submissions from Gary Moser for 15 YEARS after knowing he submits trimmed cards makes them LIABLE. If you don't think PSA isn't in on the fraud, you aren't reading enough of the threads.

*To my knowledge. I would love to see evidence that they've blocked card alterers in the past. Would love to see the list of all the people blocked for fraud purposes. I have been blocked for complaining about their sorry POS company online. There's probably more people on my list than those that are actively defrauding collectors. It's all part of the cover up, right? I would love to see their block list and the reasons each person was blocked; at least the "NEVER GET CHEATED" company would warn all of us about fraudsters, right?

so true, so true. That is one fraudulent company that PSA. We have never seen this type of ineptitude and lack of integrity in any company in our lifetimes. The people running that company are pure Schmucks and cheater effers with zero integrity, just like the Astros. This is a Billion Dollar Fraud, like it or not.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

If it measures correctly then they ALL grade them. Unless they hire forensic scientists i'm sure it will remain this way. As the last post said, if you don't like it sell and collect stamps or coins, no fraud in those hobbies.

Emphasis mine...

No, no fraud in either...
Only in some fantasyland. Both have had constant frauds going back well over a century. If I looked hard enough I could probably find a coin fraud from the middle ages.
Or not so long. Jean Cavino and Alessandro Bassiano were forging ancient coins and selling them as real in 1540.
More here, Assuming it takes you to the right page (404 onward)
https://books.google.com/books?id=jV...0fraud&f=false

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

PSA is not in on the scandal.
The people trim the card and PSA just grades it.
You guys really make me laugh!

This is a bold claim. Evidence?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

This is a bold claim. Evidence?

No lawsuits

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

No lawsuits

Great point... for now.