Small Traditions LLC/SCANDAL UPDATE

[BigBeerGut]

PSA is not in on the scandal.
The people trim the card and PSA just grades it.
You guys really make me laugh!

[Johnny630]

PSA is TEFLON WILL NEVER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR RENDERING THEIR OPINION
MONEY TALKS AND BULL SHIT WALKS

Sure It’s rigged always has always will be EVERYONE KNOWS THIS ITS ALL PRICED IN ......sometimes you just have to go your own way....the time to sell is now

[Gradedcardman]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

PSA is not in on the scandal.
The people trim the card and PSA just grades it.
You guys really make me laugh!

If it measures correctly then they ALL grade them. Unless they hire forensic scientists i'm sure it will remain this way. As the last post said, if you don't like it sell and collect stamps or coins, no fraud in those hobbies.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

If it measures correctly then they ALL grade them. Unless they hire forensic scientists i'm sure it will remain this way. As the last post said, if you don't like it sell and collect stamps or coins, no fraud in those hobbies.

Many of these cards DON'T MEASURE CORRECTLY. Check all the amounts trimmed off the Exhibits and the postcards. Just having an example in house or the proper measurement of these cards in their database (especially since they've already graded these EXACT CARDS untrimmed) would have returned them all to David Thorne as AUTH ALTERED.
PSA is incompetent and until this year, hasn't claimed they've ever blocked a submitter for submitting vast amounts of alterations*. Knowingly accepting submissions from Gary Moser for 15 YEARS after knowing he submits trimmed cards makes them LIABLE. If you don't think PSA isn't in on the fraud, you aren't reading enough of the threads.

*To my knowledge. I would love to see evidence that they've blocked card alterers in the past. Would love to see the list of all the people blocked for fraud purposes. I have been blocked for complaining about their sorry POS company online. There's probably more people on my list than those that are actively defrauding collectors. It's all part of the cover up, right? I would love to see their block list and the reasons each person was blocked; at least the "NEVER GET CHEATED" company would warn all of us about fraudsters, right?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Many of these cards DON'T MEASURE CORRECTLY. Check all the amounts trimmed off the Exhibits and the postcards. Just having an example in house or the proper measurement of these cards in their database (especially since they've already graded these EXACT CARDS untrimmed) would have returned them all to David Thorne as AUTH ALTERED.
PSA is incompetent and until this year, hasn't claimed they've ever blocked a submitter for submitting vast amounts of alterations*. Knowingly accepting submissions from Gary Moser for 15 YEARS after knowing he submits trimmed cards makes them LIABLE. If you don't think PSA isn't in on the fraud, you aren't reading enough of the threads.

*To my knowledge. I would love to see evidence that they've blocked card alterers in the past. Would love to see the list of all the people blocked for fraud purposes. I have been blocked for complaining about their sorry POS company online. There's probably more people on my list than those that are actively defrauding collectors. It's all part of the cover up, right? I would love to see their block list and the reasons each person was blocked; at least the "NEVER GET CHEATED" company would warn all of us about fraudsters, right?

so true, so true. That is one fraudulent company that PSA. We have never seen this type of ineptitude and lack of integrity in any company in our lifetimes. The people running that company are pure Schmucks and cheater effers with zero integrity, just like the Astros. This is a Billion Dollar Fraud, like it or not.

[ejharrington]

If I’m a shareholder or on Board of Directors, I would be working to replace the CEO ASAP.

[BigBeerGut]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

so true, so true. That is one fraudulent company that PSA. We have never seen this type of ineptitude and lack of integrity in any company in our lifetimes. The people running that company are pure Schmucks and cheater effers with zero integrity, just like the Astros. This is a Billion Dollar Fraud, like it or not.

PSA is NOT in on the scam you sound silly. What would be in it for them?

Same reason a casino does not need to fix there games it is already fixed why risk anything?

mJD

[Exhibitman]

I'd almost prefer it was some sort of fraud ring inside PSA. Overwhelming incompetence is not a reassuring substitute.

[swarmee]

Chris Collins (Congressman about to serve jail time) has had some of his Mantle cards exposed in this one. I'm am cataloguing them over at Blowout. One of our board members bought a trimmed matchbook from David Thorn.

And Peter Spaeth seems to be concerned about the fake provenance being given by Thorn to make it look like these cards came from some advanced collection rather than being purchased by the auctionhouse and submitted through PSA in order to falsely put the card at arm's length.

If you are appalled at this fraud, the website to submit a complaint to the Colorado Atty General is around page 25.

[philliesphan]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I'd almost prefer it was some sort of fraud ring inside PSA. Overwhelming incompetence is not a reassuring substitute.

THIS. Thank you Adam. For me, the past 15 years in the hobby is less and less graded, and more pre-war, more larger cards, and less chasing the Registry whore cards.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

PSA is NOT in on the scam you sound silly. What would be in it for them?

Same reason a casino does not need to fix there games it is already fixed why risk anything?

mJD

I like Mike, but you are out of your skull if you can't see the scam that PSA has perpetuated on all of us. A Billion Dollar fraud my friend and you can quote me.

If you want to see the problem, look in the mirror, then do something about it like STOP feeding the effing scammers. That's all it takes to stop this is for morons to stop supporting it already. People are inherently stupid, especially baseball card collectors like us. We need to stop with all the "popping" and acting like a 3 year old child on Christmas morning. It's an ugly look, really.

Instead, collectors feed the scam by continuing to support them. Where in the hell do you see grown men get their heads handed to them and enjoy the financial butt plugging?

PSA management doesn't even want to address it with their customers. In what world are we living in where a company can bilk their customers in a billion dollar scam and other blithering idiots keep supporting them?...AND THEY DON'T address it? I am and have been dumbfounded on how people are letting it happen in all honesty.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

I like Mike, but you are out of your skull if you can't see the scam that PSA has perpetuated on all of us. A Billion Dollar fraud my friend and you can quote me.

If you want to see the problem, look in the mirror, then do something about it like STOP feeding the effing scammers. That's all it takes to stop this is for morons to stop supporting it already. People are inherently stupid, especially baseball card collectors like us. We need to stop with all the "popping" and acting like a 3 year old child on Christmas morning. It's an ugly look, really.

Instead, collectors feed the scam by continuing to support them. Where in the hell do you see grown men get their heads handed to them and enjoy the financial butt plugging?

PSA management doesn't even want to address it with their customers. In what world are we living in where a company can bilk their customers in a billion dollar scam and other blithering idiots keep supporting them?...AND THEY DON'T address it? I am and have been dumbfounded on how people are letting it happen in all honesty.

Maybe YOU yourself should find a new hobby. Since this one brings you such misery. My girlfriend likes glittering cups. That would be a good one for you.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

If it measures correctly then they ALL grade them. Unless they hire forensic scientists i'm sure it will remain this way. As the last post said, if you don't like it sell and collect stamps or coins, no fraud in those hobbies.

Emphasis mine...

No, no fraud in either...
Only in some fantasyland. Both have had constant frauds going back well over a century. If I looked hard enough I could probably find a coin fraud from the middle ages.
Or not so long. Jean Cavino and Alessandro Bassiano were forging ancient coins and selling them as real in 1540.
More here, Assuming it takes you to the right page (404 onward)
https://books.google.com/books?id=jV...0fraud&f=false

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

PSA is not in on the scandal.
The people trim the card and PSA just grades it.
You guys really make me laugh!

This is a bold claim. Evidence?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

This is a bold claim. Evidence?

No lawsuits

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

No lawsuits

Great point... for now.