t206 Lajoie Error Found - Anything Similar Known to Exist?

[tedzan]

Hey guys

Pardon my reply delay....as we were away....enjoying Cape May.

OK,
Circa..Fall of 1909, American Lithographic switched from brown HINDU to the OLD MILL backs on 34 of the Southern League cards.
Simultaneously, ALC was also modifying SWEET CAPORAL (Factory #30) cards with "Factory #649" overprints. During this process,
the usual printer's practice of test printing runs prior to final press runs, which resulted in these brown inked OLD MILL cards [with
the red ink Factory #649 overprint (inverted)]. I do not think any of these printer scraps were inserted into cigarette packs.
Anyhow some years ago, we accounted for 13 of these So. Lge. cards with the inverted red overprint. These 13 are confirmed........

Bernhard
Foster
Greminger
Helm
Hooker
Jordan
Kiernan
Mullaney
Paige
Reagan
Revelle
Sid Smith
Thornton






Now, regarding SWEET CAPORAL cards (such as this Lajoie), I have not seen any.

Furthermore this may be trivial....but it concerns me that the placement of the inverted red overprint on this Lajoie card
differs from the placement of the red overprint on the the Greminger card.

Another concern I have is that the normal "#649 overprint" was printed on 34 different T206 subjects. Why have we not
seen, in all these years, any of the other 33 subjects with this type of printing error on their backs ?


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[chuckw]

Ted - thanks for the for the information on the 13 Southern League cards that were found. I have no concerns regarding the authenticity of the card since it was in at attic for many decades with many other early 1900 cards. As to why we have not seen any previously, I think it's probably due to the scarcity as you mentioned - they may have been a test run that may not have gone into tobacco packs. I hope you and the family enjoyed Cape May!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I don't think Ted was worried about the authenticity of the card itself, but rather of the overprint.

[chuckw]

The card looks awesome in an SGC holder! It's an awesome one of a kind HOF overprint (upside-down) T206 error and it's in an auction (Wheatland Auctions) that ends soon! I hope it finds a good home - https://www.wheatlandauctionservices...entoryid=13500

[MVSNYC]

Too bad they didn't put "upside down overprint" (or such) on flip. Did you request they do that? Would be much better, if they could.

[RedsFan1941]

i think the 1.5 grade more than makes up for not having a description of the overprint

[chuckw]

Did not ask for added description but they authenticate that the card and overprint are authentic, which wasn't a concern since they were in an attic for decades.

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

i think the 1.5 grade more than makes up for not having a description of the overprint

I respectfully disagree.

In the world of freaks/errors. Having the variation noted on the flip has always been very important to the people collecting them (ask Johhny V, Jamie, Wonka [wherever he may be], Scott & Hank, etc)...and the "AUTH" designation usually has gone hand in hand with that, and more desirable, as it typically denotes a true "scrap" that wasn't put into packs. (Where's Johnny V?, he can wax poetry about all this).

I can't speak to whether or not SGC has stopped doing that, but I can tell you that I was the first person to get them to start doing it around 10 years ago. I had a discussion with Dave Foreman and others at SGC at a show; I had several printing errors with me (missing color, upside down back, multi-strike, etc). They told me they had never added those descriptors before, but they thought it was fine to start doing it, thus mine were the very first ones they did it with.

(Incidentally, I like this card a lot...no issue there).

[soxinseven]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Too bad they didn't put "upside down overprint" (or such) on flip. Did you request they do that? Would be much better, if they could.

Last I talked to them they had stopped adding such notations on the flip. I have an E98 McGraw (SGC 40) with an upside down back and they would not add it to the flip. Years ago, I had them add the same description on a Holmes to Homes card (upside down back) that I had found.

[Exhibitman]

They will note wrong backs and blank backs (but those get an A). I have a graded wrong back somewhere with it noted.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by chuckw

The card looks awesome in an SGC holder! It's an awesome one of a kind HOF overprint (upside-down) T206 error and it's in an auction (Wheatland Auctions) that ends soon! I hope it finds a good home - https://www.wheatlandauctionservices...entoryid=13500

Chuck, were you happy with the results of the/your auction? I think $4,800 with Buyer's Premium was quite strong.

[chriskim]

Auction house never happy of their results....

Congrats to your winning Rhotchkiss!

[Rhotchkiss]

I didn’t win this card.