David Hall auctioning his t206 master collection

[tibor1]

oops

[RedsFan1941]

public service announcement or paid advertisement?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

public service announcement or paid advertisement?

seems like a mixture

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

seems like a mixture

I just spoke to the user Tilbor. It definitely wasn't a shill. The user didn't understand but does now. He is a very nice person and was apologetic. Now he knows the rules. Our anonymity rule is different than almost any other forum. And actually, he didn't really give an opinion of a company or person, however, shills are going to need a name. But again, definitely not one. He was being sincere in his comment.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tibor1

This is a once in a life time opportunity to acquire some rare
cards. Bid on cards for your collection. Don't let " shoulda, coulda"
be your motto years from now.

Please put your full name next to your post.

[forceplay sport]

pardon my ignorance, I dont know David Hall ........

[swarmee]

https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/awardshalloffame
Scroll down a little bit.

Added: For collectors that like provenance of having cards owned by famous collectors, an example would be a nice thing to add to your collection. If I wasn't boycotting at this point, I would probably win one of the cheaper ones.

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by swarmee

https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/awardshalloffame
Scroll down a little bit.

Added: For collectors that like provenance of having cards owned by famous collectors, an example would be a nice thing to add to your collection. If I wasn't boycotting at this point, I would probably win one of the cheaper ones.

I agree having at least one would be nice but was curious about your boycotting. Heritage is doing the auctions and nearly all of David's cards were graded before all this card doctoring. I personally believe that purchasing any of his cards now would be just like if we were purchasing them two years ago in regards to the grading. Also, David never bothered to reholder his collection to add any provenance on the holders, so the only way to tell if a card was one of David's would be to cross reference the PSA number and the auction catalog.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I agree having at least one would be nice but was curious about your boycotting. Heritage is doing the auctions and nearly all of David's cards were graded before all this card doctoring. I personally believe that purchasing any of his cards now would be just like if we were purchasing them two years ago in regards to the grading. Also, David never bothered to reholder his collection to add any provenance on the holders, so the only way to tell if a card was one of David's would be to cross reference the PSA number and the auction catalog.

Right. The owner of PSA had his cards graded by his own company. What could possibly go wrong with that?

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Right. The owner of PSA had his cards graded by his own company. What could possibly go wrong with that?

I totally understand what your saying but all cards that David bought that were in PSA holders were never resubmitted for upgrade. Many of the SGC cards that he crossed over to PSA actually were down graded. I'm not sure how many cards he bought raw. In my opinion, if all this current doctoring/trimming scandal didn't happen, there would be nearly no issues with the sale. I'd also like to say that with over 5000 T206's, I'm sure PSA got a few wrong and advise everyone to buy the card and not the holder.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Right. The owner of PSA had his cards graded by his own company. What could possibly go wrong with that?

No conflict of interest there.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I agree having at least one would be nice but was curious about your boycotting. Heritage is doing the auctions and nearly all of David's cards were graded before all this card doctoring.

Propping up the resale value of cards in their slabs is something I'm not going to do at this point. I am not throwing shade on this collection, but if they were altered, it's kind of been shown that PSA likely didn't catch it. And their current leadership isn't doing enough *in broad daylight* to make me feel good about purchasing their cards for my own collection.

Even if it was a graded card of Lionel Carter or Jefferson Burdick currently residing in a PSA, SGC, or BGS holder, I wouldn't purchase it right now. I want to hold the Third Party Graders to a higher standard than they seem to hold themselves to.

[Gradedcardman]

All I have here is wow. Ron is correct. I would venture to say that any card David bought graded PSA stayed PSA. Would the naysayers also believe that he was altering coins along the way ? Can we get back to collecting and move on ? If this "scandal" takes the fun out of it for you then sell your stuff and buy some vintage cars or Guitars or Art...There's never any altering with those collectibles.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I agree having at least one would be nice but was curious about your boycotting. Heritage is doing the auctions and nearly all of David's cards were graded before all this card doctoring. I personally believe that purchasing any of his cards now would be just like if we were purchasing them two years ago in regards to the grading. Also, David never bothered to reholder his collection to add any provenance on the holders, so the only way to tell if a card was one of David's would be to cross reference the PSA number and the auction catalog.

Card doctoring has been rampant for decades. I don't know what you mean by "before all this card doctoring." The Harris Collection was what, 1990s?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Card doctoring has been rampant for decades. I don't know what you mean by "before all this card doctoring." The Harris Collection was what, 1990s?

ya...and there's the gretzky wagner. Out of 5000 T206's there is no doubt altered cards in there. But a unique opportunity for sure!

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Card doctoring has been rampant for decades. I don't know what you mean by "before all this card doctoring." The Harris Collection was what, 1990s?

I meant before this Moser/PWCC scandal jumped off. I know there have been issues with cards before that but nothing to this current level of impact. Maybe social media is driving the topic further than it normally would be. When the whole T206 Wagner thing happened, nearly anyone was worried about buying PSA graded cards or having altered cards in their personal collection. My main opinion was that David's collection has the same risk that other cards had, before the Moser scandal happened.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by forceplay sport

pardon my ignorance, I dont know David Hall ........

wasn't he 1/2 of hall and oates?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

wasn't he 1/2 of hall and oates?

Yeah, he was Oates.

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by tibor1

This is a once in a life time opportunity to acquire some rare
cards. Bid on cards for your collection. Don't let " shoulda, coulda"
be your motto years from now.

This is the kind of irrational emotion that lets card manipulators thrive. You're a prime target for them.