The Superiority of SGC

calvindog · #1 06-28-2019, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by robw1959

I just got an email from Betsy Huigens stating that they now have the card in-house, and that my refund would be issued in my PayPal account on Monday.

Congrats on that!

VintageVinnie · #2 06-29-2019, 08:05 AM

I completely agree with the original statement about SGC being head and shoulders above. Last year, I bought a very nice 51 Bowman Football Norm Van Brocklin, PSA 5 on ebay. However, I wanted the holder to be uniform with my other SGC cards and sent it to SGC. Wasn't even looking for a bump. SGC sent it back with the Scarlett letter "A." I measured it and, you guessed it, came up just an eyelash short..trimmed. SGC caught it, PSA did not. Period.

swarmee · #3 06-29-2019, 08:42 AM

They're amazing! : sample size 1
They can't tell autographs signed two years on T206s from ones signed when players were actually alive: sample size 12
They can't tell if $10k+ cards have been chemically bleached: sample size 3 and counting

VintageVinnie · #4 06-29-2019, 09:35 AM

I respect your opinion, but SGC is still my choice as an average collector. They are human and of course mistakes are going to be made. But I find SGC is consistently more accurate with their grading and, by far, make less mistakes than the competition. You see that now with the PSA mess. Trimmed cards in PSA holders EVERYWHERE. SGC, very wisely, has gotten out of the autograph business. That industry is a cess pool and it least they recognize that and their strengths in grading cardboard only.

Republicaninmass · #5 06-29-2019, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by VintageVinnie

I respect your opinion, but SGC is still my choice as an average collector. They are human and of course mistakes are going to be made. But I find SGC is consistently more accurate with their grading and, by far, make less mistakes than the competition. You see that now with the PSA mess. Trimmed cards in PSA holders EVERYWHERE. SGC, very wisely, has gotten out of the autograph business. That industry is a cess pool and it least they recognize that and their strengths in grading cardboard only.

Speaking of opinions, after 4 or 5 SGC cheerleader posts, in the last hour or so. You need to post your full name when giving an opinion.

lowpopper · #6 06-29-2019, 10:25 AM

VintageVinnie,

Post your real name!

bnorth · #7 06-29-2019, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by lowpopper

VintageVinnie,

Post your real name!

Good idea Mr. C

Frank A · #8 07-02-2019, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Speaking of opinions, after 4 or 5 SGC cheerleader posts, in the last hour or so. You need to post your full name when giving an opinion.

Cheerleader posts? The only guys crying are the people who must be holding loads of PSA cards. Their like little kids telling their mom "he did it to". The percentage of PSA graded duds is overall way greater than SGC. PSA stinks and some of you just want to cover up for the,. Disgrace. FRANK ANTHONY

clydepepper · #9 07-01-2019, 07:32 PM

Let's face it guys: The most trustworthy status of Baseball cards, unlike women, is raw.

Kenny Cole · #10 07-01-2019, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by clydepepper

Let's face it guys: The most trustworthy status of Baseball cards, unlike women, is raw.

I don't think raw is trustworthy either. The very reason TPGers came into being is because there so many altered raw cards. The TPGer promise has clearly been proven to be an illusion in many cases, but that certainly doesn't mean that raw is clean. I would suggest that common sense and experience, while not certain, may be the most important attributes that any collector can have at this point. And I get that isn't particularly safe either.

Peter_Spaeth · #11 07-01-2019, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

I don't think raw is trustworthy either. The very reason TPGers came into being is because there so many altered raw cards. The TPGer promise has clearly been proven to be an illusion in many cases, but that certainly doesn't mean that raw is clean. I would suggest that common sense and experience, while not certain, may be the most important attributes that any collector can have at this point. And I get that isn't particularly safe either.

I would imagine the Wagner wasn't the only trimmed card people sold to Jim Copeland. And yeah when I started in the early 90s and almost everything was raw it was the wild west out there with trimmed cards.

robw1959 · #12 07-01-2019, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Congrats on that!

Thanks. Payday today, and The money ($787) is in my account now. PWCC is taking the initiative to reach out and notify its clients about these altered PSA-graded cards and providing timely refunds. So at least they're making good on the promise of restitution.

Johnny630 · #13 07-01-2019, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by robw1959

Thanks. Payday today, and The money ($787) is in my account now. PWCC is taking the initiative to reach out and notify its clients about these altered PSA-graded cards and providing timely refunds. So at least they're making good on the promise of restitution.

Are they being taken care of behind the scenes by Newport Beach ?

That would no shock me one bit...a day late and a dollar short

Peter_Spaeth · #14 07-01-2019, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by robw1959

Thanks. Payday today, and The money ($787) is in my account now. PWCC is taking the initiative to reach out and notify its clients about these altered PSA-graded cards and providing timely refunds. So at least they're making good on the promise of restitution.

Like a bank robber returning (some of) the money after he got caught red handed. To try to get a lighter sentence. Wowzers. Where was their initiative during a decade or more of this sh*t?

1952boyntoncollector · #15 07-01-2019, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Like a bank robber returning (some of) the money after he got caught red handed. To try to get a lighter sentence. Wowzers. Where was their initiative during a decade or more of this sh*t?

Well in your situation the bank robber was actually arrested, and trying to get a ligher sentence..

in this situation, no arrest, no lawsuits..everyone is being paid back....nothing to see here.

Peter_Spaeth · #16 07-01-2019, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Well in your situation the bank robber was actually arrested, and trying to get a ligher sentence..

in this situation, no arrest, no lawsuits..everyone is being paid back....nothing to see here.

To me, an active FBI investigation is not nothing. But that's just me, Jake.

#17 07-01-2019, 06:03 PM

SGC is on the top of their game

BLongley · #18 07-01-2019, 07:08 PM

Ok, here is an SGC 3 Cy Young Port with an EPDG back that was sold by Lee back in his 2017 auction. It was then cleaned up and regraded by SGC to a 5.5 and sold by PWCC with the High End sticker of course....

Perhaps Lee can see who bought the card? I’m curious of course... was it Moser? Maybe someone else? Link to BO research below:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3708

1952boyntoncollector · #19 07-02-2019, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

To me, an active FBI investigation is not nothing. But that's just me, Jake.

When 'active' for this long given all the proof that has been submitted, you can indict a ham sandwich, yet nothing done

Also arrests are usually made so evidence cant be destroyed while the 'active' investigation takes place

Yes, if the investigation is more secret, and there is less worry that any alleged crimes are now being hidden or evidence isnt destroyed there is more of a wait period.

Tough to say there are victims in the criminal case when no civil lawsuits

Times just keeps going on...

Peter_Spaeth · #20 07-02-2019, 11:38 AM

Jake -- you're clueless about this.

CobbSpikedMe · #21 07-01-2019, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

in this situation, no arrest, no lawsuits..everyone is being paid back....nothing to see here.

*yawn* Wait, did I miss something new?....nope. Ok, back to my nap.

Peter_Spaeth · #22 07-01-2019, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

*yawn* Wait, did I miss something new?....nope. Ok, back to my nap.

Jake doesn't understand, it seems, that sometimes the investigation precedes the arrest/indictment.

1952boyntoncollector · #23 07-02-2019, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

*yawn* Wait, did I miss something new?....nope. Ok, back to my nap.

The quote you took from me was actually taken out of context.

robw1959 · #24 07-06-2019, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Like a bank robber returning (some of) the money after he got caught red handed. To try to get a lighter sentence. Wowzers. Where was their initiative during a decade or more of this sh*t?

Didn't you say at some point that it's a good thing that PWCC is offering restitution? Regardless of the motive, restitution is a good thing, and I'm glad it's happening.

steve B · #25 07-06-2019, 07:42 PM

Yes, it's wonderful that PWCC is covering PSAs mess for them...

Getting PSA off the hook for the full price less the "A" value. I wonder how much of their "losses" PSA is covering behind the scenes?

Johnny630 · #26 07-06-2019, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B

Yes, it's wonderful that PWCC is covering PSAs mess for them...

Getting PSA off the hook for the full price less the "A" value. I wonder how much of their "losses" PSA is covering behind the scenes?

Cover up is so evident don’t think they’re doing this out of their kindness of their own hearts Newport Beach is taking care of them....do the right thing and we will update the Pop Report and come up with some new Fake News marketing to lure the sheeple back just do what’s right and we got your back...

robw1959 · #27 07-07-2019, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by steve B

Yes, it's wonderful that PWCC is covering PSAs mess for them...

Getting PSA off the hook for the full price less the "A" value. I wonder how much of their "losses" PSA is covering behind the scenes?

Great point. If only PSA had truly been the gold standard so many of us believed they were . . .

Republicaninmass · #28 07-07-2019, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by steve B

Yes, it's wonderful that PWCC is covering PSAs mess for them...

Getting PSA off the hook for the full price less the "A" value. I wonder how much of their "losses" PSA is covering behind the scenes?

I have to disagree. Pwcc has been deliberately targeting TPGs to grade altered cards, altered by them, and adding their little sticker for profit. Pwcc should foot the bill as long as feasibly possible as they are exposed as the ones with consistent behavior that could be viewed as criminal. I highly doubt they are consoling pwcc behind the scenes.

Johnny630 · #29 07-07-2019, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I have to disagree. Pwcc has been deliberately targeting TPGs to grade altered cards, altered by them, and adding their little sticker for profit. Pwcc should foot the bill as long as feasibly possible as they are exposed as the ones with consistent behavior that could be viewed as criminal. I highly doubt they are consoling pwcc behind the scenes.

Newport Beach can’t Really be this bad at their Job can they ? ....am I the only one who thinks there maybe could be someone on the inside over their connected doing bad things grading all these bad cards giving them grades
....I sure hope and pray not.....but I’m suspicious of it....