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Old 07-01-2019, 02:22 PM
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Congrats on that!
Thanks. Payday today, and The money ($787) is in my account now. PWCC is taking the initiative to reach out and notify its clients about these altered PSA-graded cards and providing timely refunds. So at least they're making good on the promise of restitution.
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:14 PM
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Thanks. Payday today, and The money ($787) is in my account now. PWCC is taking the initiative to reach out and notify its clients about these altered PSA-graded cards and providing timely refunds. So at least they're making good on the promise of restitution.
Are they being taken care of behind the scenes by Newport Beach ?

That would no shock me one bit...a day late and a dollar short

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Old 07-01-2019, 04:43 PM
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Thanks. Payday today, and The money ($787) is in my account now. PWCC is taking the initiative to reach out and notify its clients about these altered PSA-graded cards and providing timely refunds. So at least they're making good on the promise of restitution.
Like a bank robber returning (some of) the money after he got caught red handed. To try to get a lighter sentence. Wowzers. Where was their initiative during a decade or more of this sh*t?
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:22 PM
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Like a bank robber returning (some of) the money after he got caught red handed. To try to get a lighter sentence. Wowzers. Where was their initiative during a decade or more of this sh*t?
Well in your situation the bank robber was actually arrested, and trying to get a ligher sentence..

in this situation, no arrest, no lawsuits..everyone is being paid back....nothing to see here.
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:28 PM
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Well in your situation the bank robber was actually arrested, and trying to get a ligher sentence..

in this situation, no arrest, no lawsuits..everyone is being paid back....nothing to see here.
To me, an active FBI investigation is not nothing. But that's just me, Jake.
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Ok, here is an SGC 3 Cy Young Port with an EPDG back that was sold by Lee back in his 2017 auction. It was then cleaned up and regraded by SGC to a 5.5 and sold by PWCC with the High End sticker of course....

Perhaps Lee can see who bought the card? I’m curious of course... was it Moser? Maybe someone else? Link to BO research below:

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Old 07-01-2019, 07:12 PM
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Gary is not a T206 guy I don't believe. But, someone else working with Brent might be. It would not surprise me at all if Brent himself was the buyer, just as he bought the WWG DiMaggio out of REA, and some other cards I am aware of.

No big deal, though, at least it wasn't trimmed so yay for SGC.
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Ok, here is an SGC 3 Cy Young Port with an EPDG back that was sold by Lee back in his 2017 auction. It was then cleaned up and regraded by SGC to a 5.5 and sold by PWCC with the High End sticker of course....

Perhaps Lee can see who bought the card? I’m curious of course... was it Moser? Maybe someone else? Link to BO research below:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3708
I understand that as a general matter AHs and dealers would not divulge the identity of their buyers, but when the purchases at issue obviously involve fraud, WHY continue to protect the guilty? Why not out them? What's the downside, what's the fear? Not singling Lee out by any means.

Brent was connected to the WWG DiMaggio only because someone came forward and told me, and allowed me to post it. We are now almost certainly dealing with many multiples of that situation, where people could come forward and provide facts.
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Old 07-02-2019, 11:35 AM
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To me, an active FBI investigation is not nothing. But that's just me, Jake.
When 'active' for this long given all the proof that has been submitted, you can indict a ham sandwich, yet nothing done

Also arrests are usually made so evidence cant be destroyed while the 'active' investigation takes place

Yes, if the investigation is more secret, and there is less worry that any alleged crimes are now being hidden or evidence isnt destroyed there is more of a wait period.

Tough to say there are victims in the criminal case when no civil lawsuits

Times just keeps going on...

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Old 07-02-2019, 11:38 AM
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Jake -- you're clueless about this.
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Jake -- you're clueless about this.
OK how many months/years need to go by before you agree the 'active' investigation isnt so active.
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in this situation, no arrest, no lawsuits..everyone is being paid back....nothing to see here.
*yawn* Wait, did I miss something new?....nope. Ok, back to my nap.
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*yawn* Wait, did I miss something new?....nope. Ok, back to my nap.
Jake doesn't understand, it seems, that sometimes the investigation precedes the arrest/indictment.
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*yawn* Wait, did I miss something new?....nope. Ok, back to my nap.

The quote you took from me was actually taken out of context.
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Like a bank robber returning (some of) the money after he got caught red handed. To try to get a lighter sentence. Wowzers. Where was their initiative during a decade or more of this sh*t?
Didn't you say at some point that it's a good thing that PWCC is offering restitution? Regardless of the motive, restitution is a good thing, and I'm glad it's happening.
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Yes, it's wonderful that PWCC is covering PSAs mess for them...

Getting PSA off the hook for the full price less the "A" value. I wonder how much of their "losses" PSA is covering behind the scenes?
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Yes, it's wonderful that PWCC is covering PSAs mess for them...

Getting PSA off the hook for the full price less the "A" value. I wonder how much of their "losses" PSA is covering behind the scenes?
Cover up is so evident don’t think they’re doing this out of their kindness of their own hearts Newport Beach is taking care of them....do the right thing and we will update the Pop Report and come up with some new Fake News marketing to lure the sheeple back just do what’s right and we got your back...
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Yes, it's wonderful that PWCC is covering PSAs mess for them...

Getting PSA off the hook for the full price less the "A" value. I wonder how much of their "losses" PSA is covering behind the scenes?
Great point. If only PSA had truly been the gold standard so many of us believed they were . . .
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Yes, it's wonderful that PWCC is covering PSAs mess for them...

Getting PSA off the hook for the full price less the "A" value. I wonder how much of their "losses" PSA is covering behind the scenes?
I have to disagree. Pwcc has been deliberately targeting TPGs to grade altered cards, altered by them, and adding their little sticker for profit. Pwcc should foot the bill as long as feasibly possible as they are exposed as the ones with consistent behavior that could be viewed as criminal. I highly doubt they are consoling pwcc behind the scenes.
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Old 07-07-2019, 05:18 AM
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I have to disagree. Pwcc has been deliberately targeting TPGs to grade altered cards, altered by them, and adding their little sticker for profit. Pwcc should foot the bill as long as feasibly possible as they are exposed as the ones with consistent behavior that could be viewed as criminal. I highly doubt they are consoling pwcc behind the scenes.
Newport Beach can’t Really be this bad at their Job can they ? ....am I the only one who thinks there maybe could be someone on the inside over their connected doing bad things grading all these bad cards giving them grades
....I sure hope and pray not.....but I’m suspicious of it....
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Yes, they can be this bad at their job. Beckett is definitely handing out favorable grades to their largest submitters (in fact they've even used it as a sales tactic for accounts). Look up the Joe Clemons thread on the Blowout baseball board for evidence.

But PSA just seems to be completely incapable of detecting these alterations. I cataloged the various alterations they've missed so far elsewhere, but will retype it here:
1) Trimming (even heavy trimming)
2) False rough cuts
3) Filled Pinholes
4) Missed erasures
5) Bleaching and stain removal
6) Crease removal by pressing/spooning
7) Rebuilt corners
8) Intentionally rounded corners (unnatural wear)
9) Recoloring
10) Reglossing has been accused
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