OMG Blowout list of suspected trimmed modern cards

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by drcy

The longer the lists the better. Some self-deluding dolts, such as on the CU board, won't open their eyes unless they're hit over the head with a sledgehammer.

I was one of the first members on that message board. A couple years ago I posted a questionable Gretzky PSA/DNA card. They not only banned me, but the mod at the time (Jackie) called my cell phone at 9/10ish EST and laid me out for the post.

I visited the site today to see how the fraud is being handled and it looks like the new mod is actually editing user's posts by changing or removing things said. That's a first for me on any forum.

The reason the members there will "not open their eyes unless they're hit over the head with a sledgehammer" is because they don't want to lose posting privileges. For most of the regular posters there, that forum is their life and they cannot function without it.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I was one of the first members on that message board. A couple years ago I posted a questionable Gretzky PSA/DNA card. They not only banned me, but the mod at the time (Jackie) called my cell phone at 9/10ish EST and laid me out for the post.

I visited the site today to see how the fraud is being handled and it looks like the new mod is actually editing user's posts by changing or removing things said. That's a first for me on any forum.

The reason the members there will "not open their eyes unless they're hit over the head with a sledgehammer" is because they don't want to lose posting privileges. For most of the regular posters there, that forum is their life and they cannot function without it.

I understand that, and also understand/appreciate that it's a company website. No company is going to allow slamming of their product on their own site. That's why Beckett deleted their chatboard some years back.

[rhettyeakley]

Crazy how many Gem Mint cards were being graded in those grading sessions, that has to be some kind of record! Yet no red flags!?! That one submission had 23 Jordan RC's in a row with 4 getting Gem Mt, then another has 19 Montana Rc's at one time with 14 getting 9's and the other 4 getting 8.5's! Why would they destroy the registry/pop reports with preferential grades like this for certain submitters? This all just blows my mind, they literally flooded the market with high grade high demand rookies!

This all makes me want to throw up to think of all the people out there that have been screwed by these con artists. These guys really need to do some really long prison sentences! Millions of $$ of fraud going on here.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by drcy

I understand that, and also understand/appreciate that it's a company website. No company is going to allow slamming of their product on their own site. That's why Beckett deleted their chatboard some years back.

Actually, Beckett deleted their chat board because the owners at the time believed it was not a "profitable" cost center. The uproar was so great the message boards were restored within a week. But that is how Chris Gilmour got Freedom Card Board up and running because most of the Beckett regulars went there.

Rich

[Rich Klein]

And I may be off the timeline by a few days but the lack of a forum was part of the "NEW" Beckett web site which was teased all during the 2008 National and other ways.

As noted, part of the "NEW" web site was the lack of a forum which was not brought over because it would not be a money making part of the web site.

The outcry was so loud that within a week there was a new forum added and it took another week or so for the forum to be easily accessible instead of having to have several steps to find said forum.

Needless to say, I bet you could find the details of that debacle in the archives of Net 54 as I was actively posting on both boards in those days.

Within a month, the then owners were forced by their bank (read lending institution) to see to Eli Research now known as Entrust and they have remained the owners since then. But the forum debacle might have been the final clue about the true dire straits of the previous owners (who had purchased the company from Dr. Beckett)

Just some more non-needed details about how the Beckett forum going away had nothing to do with negative comments.

Rich

[steve B]

Originally Posted by drcy

I understand that, and also understand/appreciate that it's a company website. No company is going to allow slamming of their product on their own site. That's why Beckett deleted their chatboard some years back.

The older I get the more I realize I've become very odd when it comes to customer service. When I actually have authority to fix problems I prefer to talk to people who have had a problem. They are the ones that I learn things from that make me better.
Not that talking to happy people is bad, I just learn less from them.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by drcy

I understand that, and also understand/appreciate that it's a company website. No company is going to allow slamming of their product on their own site. That's why Beckett deleted their chatboard some years back.

Completely agree. It's their site and they make the rules. The post was in good taste and I was surprised in the unprofessional response by calling me so late at night, giving me a good chewing. Orlando saw it and, if memory serves me right, it was about the time he was getting his promotion. I can only speculate as to why they acted the way that they did. Maybe it should've, but it didn't keep me from continuing to do business with them. The current level of negligence that is being uncovered has me wanting to throw the towel in on my PSA cards and sets, though.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

Completely agree. It's their site and they make the rules. The post was in good taste and I was surprised in the unprofessional response by calling me so late at night, giving me a good chewing. Orlando saw it and, if memory serves me right, it was about the time he was getting his promotion. I can only speculate as to why they acted the way that they did. Maybe it should've, but it didn't keep me from continuing to do business with them. The current level of negligence that is being uncovered has me wanting to throw the towel in on my PSA cards and sets, though.

How to tell your business is a homerun.^^^^

Treat your customers badly and they keep coming back.

None of this will touch PSA.

[JeremyW]

I might be wrong, but I'm guessing that the people who had faith in PSA might start to question that faith sometime soon.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by steve B

How to tell your business is a homerun.^^^^

Treat your customers badly and they keep coming back.

None of this will touch PSA.

It depends on how adept they are at giving their customers a false sense of security that the problem has been contained and ameliorated. Now there are doubtless a lot of people who WANT to hear that message, so they may well believe it.

There is also the question of how far word of this travels. I did speak today with a guy who most would classify as an investor who does not read the message boards but did see the NYT article.