Update: What would you do...

[T_Hamilton]

So quick update here... i decided i just couldnt have the card in my collection... i would always wonder and feel bad selling to someone else without certainty it was unaltered. I decided to take the high route and write a polite email to Brent at PWCC. Here is what I wrote:

"Brent –

In light of the recent scandal with Gary Moser, I would like to return my T227 Ty Cobb PSA 1.5 purchased from you in April 2019. As your website states, PWCC is focused on “trading on trust”

This card was submitted by Gary Moser to PSA and then sold by Gary Moser through PWCC. I just can’t have a card like in my collection.

I trust you will do the right thing and accept my return and issue me a full refund.

Thank you kindly,

Taylor Hamilton"

Brent replied with this:

"Taylor,

The message boards have many things wrong. This card was not consigned by Gary Moser (just FYI). More importantly It also shows no signs of alteration, and as such this isn’t a card we can directly enforce our return policy.

These boards are out of control in many ways, and are defacing cards for little reason and I’m sorry for this slander against a card you own. If you’d like you can certainly always send the card to PSA for their reconfirmation of the grade and it’s accuracy. Soon we also hope to have a program in place where we can facilitate this review for cards which have been slandered on the boards. If you’d like to check back later this month we hope to have that option in place."

The slime coming off this guy is unreal. I trust anyone on the message boards more than I do this guy... any thoughts would be appreciated, is it time to start getting a class action lawsuit together? a flight up to Portland?

Best,

Taylor

[bobbyw8469]

Taylor, until the dust settles, I would try to avoid buying cards from PWCC for the current time. Not sure if Probstein is affected, but PWCC is DEFINITELY the preferred stomping ground of Gary Moser. I'm sorry that you are dealing with this now.

[T_Hamilton]

Thanks! Just trying to get my money back and return the card. I will never be doing business with PWCC again. They cant be trusted and when times get tough they bury their head in the sand and provide horrible communication and customer service. No doubt, there business is going to take a tremendous hit and may not survive.

Taylor Hamilton

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

So quick update here... i decided i just couldnt have the card in my collection... i would always wonder and feel bad selling to someone else without certainty it was unaltered. I decided to take the high route and write a polite email to Brent at PWCC. Here is what I wrote:

"Brent –

In light of the recent scandal with Gary Moser, I would like to return my T227 Ty Cobb PSA 1.5 purchased from you in April 2019. As your website states, PWCC is focused on “trading on trust”

This card was submitted by Gary Moser to PSA and then sold by Gary Moser through PWCC. I just can’t have a card like in my collection.

I trust you will do the right thing and accept my return and issue me a full refund.

Thank you kindly,

Taylor Hamilton"

Brent replied with this:

"Taylor,

The message boards have many things wrong. This card was not consigned by Gary Moser (just FYI). More importantly It also shows no signs of alteration, and as such this isn’t a card we can directly enforce our return policy.

These boards are out of control in many ways, and are defacing cards for little reason and I’m sorry for this slander against a card you own. If you’d like you can certainly always send the card to PSA for their reconfirmation of the grade and it’s accuracy. Soon we also hope to have a program in place where we can facilitate this review for cards which have been slandered on the boards. If you’d like to check back later this month we hope to have that option in place."

The slime coming off this guy is unreal. I trust anyone on the message boards more than I do this guy... any thoughts would be appreciated, is it time to start getting a class action lawsuit together? a flight up to Portland?

Best,

Taylor

What a shock that Brent would respond in that manner. You are still protected by eBay and PayPal (if indeed you used PayPal to pay). I would file a claim with eBay ASAP, and they will assist you with the return process. Items have been successfully refunded for a lot less.

Best of luck, and keep us posted!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Can you link to the BO post that outed this card?

[pgconboy]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

So quick update here... i decided i just couldnt have the card in my collection... i would always wonder and feel bad selling to someone else without certainty it was unaltered. I decided to take the high route and write a polite email to Brent at PWCC. Here is what I wrote:

"Brent –

In light of the recent scandal with Gary Moser, I would like to return my T227 Ty Cobb PSA 1.5 purchased from you in April 2019. As your website states, PWCC is focused on “trading on trust”

This card was submitted by Gary Moser to PSA and then sold by Gary Moser through PWCC. I just can’t have a card like in my collection.

I trust you will do the right thing and accept my return and issue me a full refund.

Thank you kindly,

Taylor Hamilton"

Brent replied with this:

"Taylor,

The message boards have many things wrong. This card was not consigned by Gary Moser (just FYI). More importantly It also shows no signs of alteration, and as such this isn’t a card we can directly enforce our return policy.

These boards are out of control in many ways, and are defacing cards for little reason and I’m sorry for this slander against a card you own. If you’d like you can certainly always send the card to PSA for their reconfirmation of the grade and it’s accuracy. Soon we also hope to have a program in place where we can facilitate this review for cards which have been slandered on the boards. If you’d like to check back later this month we hope to have that option in place."

The slime coming off this guy is unreal. I trust anyone on the message boards more than I do this guy... any thoughts would be appreciated, is it time to start getting a class action lawsuit together? a flight up to Portland?

Best,

Taylor

Red Flags all around. I would start a return process through ebay/paypal stat.

[sportscardtheory]

Wow. Just wow on that response. Defiance instead of acceptance and helpfulness. Goes to show what we are dealing with. They are literally calling proven altered cards (not this one particularly) "slandered". What a train wreck. Call your lawyers.

[Peter_Spaeth]

This card was previously sold by Mile High in an SGC holder, unless I am confused, so remind me why you think it's a Moser card?

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This card was previously sold by Mile High in an SGC holder, unless I am confused, so remind me why you think it's a Moser card?

I have no idea if it is or isn't, but what does that even matter. Confidence that it's not is essentially nonexistent. Everything they sell is suspect if you have no certainty of it's origin. They destroyed their consumer confidence. To me, everything they sell is altered at this point. Not literally, but you get my drift.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

I have no idea if it is or isn't, but what does that even matter. Confidence that it's not is essentially nonexistent. Everything they sell is suspect if you have no certainty of it's origin. They destroyed their consumer confidence. To me, everything they sell is altered at this point. Not literally, but you get my drift.

It looks fine to me, t's only a scan I know but it sure looks like a pure crossover. I am the last person on this planet to defend Brent, but he shouldn't be obligated to refund for a card if in fact it is not altered.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It looks fine to me, t's only a scan I know but it sure looks like a pure crossover. I am the last person on this planet to defend Brent, but he shouldn't be obligated to refund for a card if in fact it is not altered.

Yeah, and he can just send it in to PSA for a regrade if he's uncertain. lol Yikes.

[T_Hamilton]

The fact I am having to spend time away from work, my family and other joys of life to deal with this slime ball enrage me. I have started the return process through eBay and PayPal. I would have been PWCC's biggest proponent if they ponied up and did the right thing. Instead they are driven by greed. There is no place for this in the hobby, let alone the world.

Here is the post from BO:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...highlight=t227

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

The fact I am having to spend time away from work, my family and other joys of life to deal with this slime ball enrage me. I have started the return process through eBay and PayPal. I would have been PWCC's biggest proponent if they ponied up and did the right thing. Instead they are driven by greed. There is no place for this in the hobby, let alone the world.

Here is the post from BO:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...highlight=t227

Yes, I posted elsewhere about the undue stress this is causing many of us. Awful.

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

So quick update here... i decided i just couldnt have the card in my collection... i would always wonder and feel bad selling to someone else without certainty it was unaltered. I decided to take the high route and write a polite email to Brent at PWCC. Here is what I wrote:

"Brent –

In light of the recent scandal with Gary Moser, I would like to return my T227 Ty Cobb PSA 1.5 purchased from you in April 2019. As your website states, PWCC is focused on “trading on trust”

This card was submitted by Gary Moser to PSA and then sold by Gary Moser through PWCC. I just can’t have a card like in my collection.

I trust you will do the right thing and accept my return and issue me a full refund.

Thank you kindly,

Taylor Hamilton"

Brent replied with this:

"Taylor,

The message boards have many things wrong. This card was not consigned by Gary Moser (just FYI). More importantly It also shows no signs of alteration, and as such this isn’t a card we can directly enforce our return policy.

These boards are out of control in many ways, and are defacing cards for little reason and I’m sorry for this slander against a card you own. If you’d like you can certainly always send the card to PSA for their reconfirmation of the grade and it’s accuracy. Soon we also hope to have a program in place where we can facilitate this review for cards which have been slandered on the boards. If you’d like to check back later this month we hope to have that option in place."

The slime coming off this guy is unreal. I trust anyone on the message boards more than I do this guy... any thoughts would be appreciated, is it time to start getting a class action lawsuit together? a flight up to Portland?

Best,

Taylor

So Brent knows which cards were submitted by Moser. That's good to know. I'm sure that admission will be important in the coming months.

[T_Hamilton]

ended up getting my refund yesterday, whew!

Hope this helps anyone else that has recently purchased a Moser trimmed card through PWCC.

[Exhibitman]

Great news!

[ejharrington]

I own a card that made the Moser "list". I studied the card for awhile and can't see anything. I just mailed it to SGC to see if it grades out. I wlll let people know how it all works out.