Update: What would you do...

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Owning up to my mistake... I took the time to read the thread more slowly, and realize that I confused you with the OP (who's card DID come from PWCC).

Sorry again for the confusion and resulting inapplicable post to your situation.

No worries!!

Jeremy, it does look short compared to the other, but the corners are real rounded and look naturally so, which is not what you would expect on trimmed edges. Mine is Miners extra, I don’t know if that makes a difference or if these cards have size differences like t206s. All I am saying is card in hand, the corners and edges don’t look like you would expect if trimmed.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

No worries!!

Jeremy, it does look short compared to the other, but the corners are real rounded and look naturally so, which is not what you would expect on trimmed edges. Mine is Miners extra, I don’t know if that makes a difference or if these cards have size differences like t206s. All I am saying is card in hand, the corners and edges don’t look like you would expect if trimmed.

I can tell that you really like the hobby so I'm rooting for you.

[lloydchristmas]

Excuse my ignorance, but how are we determining what cards were submitted by Moser?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

No worries!!

Jeremy, it does look short compared to the other, but the corners are real rounded and look naturally so, which is not what you would expect on trimmed edges. Mine is Miners extra, I don’t know if that makes a difference or if these cards have size differences like t206s. All I am saying is card in hand, the corners and edges don’t look like you would expect if trimmed.

But keep in mind Gary's expertise is disguising such things.

[Rhotchkiss]

I am going to send it to PSA under the guaranty review. It will be what it be. Not too worried. I am sure I will have several casualties in all this- a t227 Cobb is not the end of the world for me. Nice card though and it’s a shame this idiot hacked so many rare cards- yup, makes the unaltered ones even more rare.

[T_Hamilton]

So quick update here... i decided i just couldnt have the card in my collection... i would always wonder and feel bad selling to someone else without certainty it was unaltered. I decided to take the high route and write a polite email to Brent at PWCC. Here is what I wrote:

"Brent –

In light of the recent scandal with Gary Moser, I would like to return my T227 Ty Cobb PSA 1.5 purchased from you in April 2019. As your website states, PWCC is focused on “trading on trust”

This card was submitted by Gary Moser to PSA and then sold by Gary Moser through PWCC. I just can’t have a card like in my collection.

I trust you will do the right thing and accept my return and issue me a full refund.

Thank you kindly,

Taylor Hamilton"

Brent replied with this:

"Taylor,

The message boards have many things wrong. This card was not consigned by Gary Moser (just FYI). More importantly It also shows no signs of alteration, and as such this isn’t a card we can directly enforce our return policy.

These boards are out of control in many ways, and are defacing cards for little reason and I’m sorry for this slander against a card you own. If you’d like you can certainly always send the card to PSA for their reconfirmation of the grade and it’s accuracy. Soon we also hope to have a program in place where we can facilitate this review for cards which have been slandered on the boards. If you’d like to check back later this month we hope to have that option in place."

The slime coming off this guy is unreal. I trust anyone on the message boards more than I do this guy... any thoughts would be appreciated, is it time to start getting a class action lawsuit together? a flight up to Portland?

Best,

Taylor

[bobbyw8469]

Taylor, until the dust settles, I would try to avoid buying cards from PWCC for the current time. Not sure if Probstein is affected, but PWCC is DEFINITELY the preferred stomping ground of Gary Moser. I'm sorry that you are dealing with this now.

[T_Hamilton]

Thanks! Just trying to get my money back and return the card. I will never be doing business with PWCC again. They cant be trusted and when times get tough they bury their head in the sand and provide horrible communication and customer service. No doubt, there business is going to take a tremendous hit and may not survive.

Taylor Hamilton

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

So quick update here... i decided i just couldnt have the card in my collection... i would always wonder and feel bad selling to someone else without certainty it was unaltered. I decided to take the high route and write a polite email to Brent at PWCC. Here is what I wrote:

"Brent –

In light of the recent scandal with Gary Moser, I would like to return my T227 Ty Cobb PSA 1.5 purchased from you in April 2019. As your website states, PWCC is focused on “trading on trust”

This card was submitted by Gary Moser to PSA and then sold by Gary Moser through PWCC. I just can’t have a card like in my collection.

I trust you will do the right thing and accept my return and issue me a full refund.

Thank you kindly,

Taylor Hamilton"

Brent replied with this:

"Taylor,

The message boards have many things wrong. This card was not consigned by Gary Moser (just FYI). More importantly It also shows no signs of alteration, and as such this isn’t a card we can directly enforce our return policy.

These boards are out of control in many ways, and are defacing cards for little reason and I’m sorry for this slander against a card you own. If you’d like you can certainly always send the card to PSA for their reconfirmation of the grade and it’s accuracy. Soon we also hope to have a program in place where we can facilitate this review for cards which have been slandered on the boards. If you’d like to check back later this month we hope to have that option in place."

The slime coming off this guy is unreal. I trust anyone on the message boards more than I do this guy... any thoughts would be appreciated, is it time to start getting a class action lawsuit together? a flight up to Portland?

Best,

Taylor

What a shock that Brent would respond in that manner. You are still protected by eBay and PayPal (if indeed you used PayPal to pay). I would file a claim with eBay ASAP, and they will assist you with the return process. Items have been successfully refunded for a lot less.

Best of luck, and keep us posted!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Can you link to the BO post that outed this card?

[pgconboy]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

So quick update here... i decided i just couldnt have the card in my collection... i would always wonder and feel bad selling to someone else without certainty it was unaltered. I decided to take the high route and write a polite email to Brent at PWCC. Here is what I wrote:

"Brent –

In light of the recent scandal with Gary Moser, I would like to return my T227 Ty Cobb PSA 1.5 purchased from you in April 2019. As your website states, PWCC is focused on “trading on trust”

This card was submitted by Gary Moser to PSA and then sold by Gary Moser through PWCC. I just can’t have a card like in my collection.

I trust you will do the right thing and accept my return and issue me a full refund.

Thank you kindly,

Taylor Hamilton"

Brent replied with this:

"Taylor,

The message boards have many things wrong. This card was not consigned by Gary Moser (just FYI). More importantly It also shows no signs of alteration, and as such this isn’t a card we can directly enforce our return policy.

These boards are out of control in many ways, and are defacing cards for little reason and I’m sorry for this slander against a card you own. If you’d like you can certainly always send the card to PSA for their reconfirmation of the grade and it’s accuracy. Soon we also hope to have a program in place where we can facilitate this review for cards which have been slandered on the boards. If you’d like to check back later this month we hope to have that option in place."

The slime coming off this guy is unreal. I trust anyone on the message boards more than I do this guy... any thoughts would be appreciated, is it time to start getting a class action lawsuit together? a flight up to Portland?

Best,

Taylor

Red Flags all around. I would start a return process through ebay/paypal stat.

[sportscardtheory]

Wow. Just wow on that response. Defiance instead of acceptance and helpfulness. Goes to show what we are dealing with. They are literally calling proven altered cards (not this one particularly) "slandered". What a train wreck. Call your lawyers.

[Peter_Spaeth]

This card was previously sold by Mile High in an SGC holder, unless I am confused, so remind me why you think it's a Moser card?

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

So quick update here... i decided i just couldnt have the card in my collection... i would always wonder and feel bad selling to someone else without certainty it was unaltered. I decided to take the high route and write a polite email to Brent at PWCC. Here is what I wrote:

"Brent –

In light of the recent scandal with Gary Moser, I would like to return my T227 Ty Cobb PSA 1.5 purchased from you in April 2019. As your website states, PWCC is focused on “trading on trust”

This card was submitted by Gary Moser to PSA and then sold by Gary Moser through PWCC. I just can’t have a card like in my collection.

I trust you will do the right thing and accept my return and issue me a full refund.

Thank you kindly,

Taylor Hamilton"

Brent replied with this:

"Taylor,

The message boards have many things wrong. This card was not consigned by Gary Moser (just FYI). More importantly It also shows no signs of alteration, and as such this isn’t a card we can directly enforce our return policy.

These boards are out of control in many ways, and are defacing cards for little reason and I’m sorry for this slander against a card you own. If you’d like you can certainly always send the card to PSA for their reconfirmation of the grade and it’s accuracy. Soon we also hope to have a program in place where we can facilitate this review for cards which have been slandered on the boards. If you’d like to check back later this month we hope to have that option in place."

The slime coming off this guy is unreal. I trust anyone on the message boards more than I do this guy... any thoughts would be appreciated, is it time to start getting a class action lawsuit together? a flight up to Portland?

Best,

Taylor

So Brent knows which cards were submitted by Moser. That's good to know. I'm sure that admission will be important in the coming months.

[T_Hamilton]

ended up getting my refund yesterday, whew!

Hope this helps anyone else that has recently purchased a Moser trimmed card through PWCC.

[Exhibitman]

Great news!