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![]() Brent/Moser going to jail or not does not stop the problem. As long as TPGs continue to assign numeric grades to altered cards, this will continue. Like I said a few posts above, people need to hold PSA accountable, even if it does have an impact on the value of their collection. |
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What happens to the Moser cards, and other altered cards, once they are uncovered and returned to PWCC (or PSA or whoever) for refund? Will they be destroyed? I mean its just an altered card, they're not forgeries or anything, and in some cases might be rare and still hold significant value, even as an altered card
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For all the talk of legal vs illegal, the main takeaway for me from all of this is that I can't and won't trust anything in Brent's auctions ever again.
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based on what is coming to light these dsys it would not surprise me in the least if most high profile "dealers" auction house owners, etc are well aware of what is and has been going on and are somehow intermingled in it.
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Especially Brent Mastro's relationships with Steven "InstaTrimmer" Tormollan, Gary "Scissorhands" Moser and Robert "Fat Kid on the" Block. |
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I would hope they would use them to educate their graders.
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Yes, sort of like this
http://www.philatelicfoundation.org/...and-forgeries/ |
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For those that bought as pure investment, they might not want to give up those cards. It would be a break even. What's to keep them from holding onto the cards a couple years for this to all blow over and then turning a profit?
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It might blow over in a couple of weeks, knowing the history of this hobby.
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That's the problem, once this thing cools off, the cards get redistributed back into the marketplace over time. Easier to spot now with the heat on. I hope one of the culpable parties is forced, by law or tort, to take these cards out of circulation now before they become harder to find.
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When have you ever seen PSA make good on anything? Especially their written guarantee?
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The reserve is based on prior experience so clearly they have bought back some volume of cards. But what we don't see is the volume of requests denied.
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They fight everyone to the death unless they are sued or have their arms twisted.
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It's all in the stock-holder statement. Guarantee returns were around 600k last year if I recall correctly. The figure has been increasing steadily and quickly the last few years.
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the cards need to be either destroyed or somehow given a scarlet letter on the card itself that cant be removed.
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shhhhhh!!!! (lol)
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Actually that's one of the most interesting ideas you've had. If they're altered anyway it bothers me a lot less than cutting up a Ruth or Gehrig bat or something.
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thats actually a great idea!
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pass!!!!!
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This whole alteration scenario is playing out like a '60s TV show. ".... Should you or any of your team members be caught, PSA will disavow any knowledge of your involvement. This holder will self destruct in 10 seconds" cue music...
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