Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed

bobbyw8469 · #1 05-28-2019, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I reached out to the Superman 1940 68 PSA 8 owner and he is not happy.

Patrick.....that is horrible....the really sad thing about all this?? No one knows HOW DEEP this chasm actually is!!! These cards being exposed might only be the tip of the iceberg!!

thenextlevel · #2 05-28-2019, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

I am not on these boards very often as you all know. I have never even heard of Blowout before and the evidence is overwhelming. My question though and I could not find an answer anywhere is why are they going after PWCC and not PSA? Some of these cards are so obviously trimmed it looks like 1/8th of inch was taken off at least. Do the graders at PSA not even bother to measure cards? So why off with PWCC's head and not after PSA for letting so many of these blatantly doctored cards get graded? I don't even see any mention of PSA doing anything wrong...

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Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

Seems to me all the pitchforks and torches are headed to PWCC

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Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

So they are claiming that PWCC knew that the cards that got graded by PSA were in fact tainted? Seems like a stretch..

Sorry if it has been covered just trying to wrap my head around the whole thing.

These were such pathetic and obvious attempts to stick up for PWCC. No one�s giving PSA a pass. Your boy Brent could be in deep doo-doo, regardless of PSA.

perezfan · #3 05-28-2019, 11:07 PM

I have absolutely no affinity for PWCC. Absolutely despise the deception and what they are doing.

But I also feel that PSA is the bigger evil here. Their cancer is further-reaching and infinitely more pervasive. Once those tainted cards are slabbed in PSA Holders, they can be sold ANYWHERE. The hobby is now infected, much like an HIV virus... you can’t even begin to keep track of where all the bad cards will end up after being re-sold, traded, consigned, or passed down to next of kin.

Hopefully both parties will go the way of Mastro, Legendary and Rogers with this scandal. And I do agree with those who have stated that PWCC is getting the brunt of the anger on a disproportionate basis. There are far more people with a vested interest in PSA than with PWCC. Unfortunately it’s just human nature to protect one’s “assets”.

BobbyVCP · #4 05-28-2019, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thenextlevel

These were such pathetic and obvious attempts to stick up for PWCC. No one�s giving PSA a pass. Your boy Brent could be in deep doo-doo, regardless of PSA.

Unlike forum boards were ads are basically 100% of their revenue. VCP main income comes from our membership not from advertisers. Advertising makes up less than 7% of our revenue. Our main interest has always been members first and only. I have from day one since starting VCP tried my best to be as neutral as humanly possible. I sold all of my collection so that there would be no reason for me to have any thing to gain by doing what we do. I have been contacted many times trying to get me to remove certain sales data from the website for people that I flat out denied. I have run VCP with integrity and honesty from the start. I am not a person to beat around the bush and I am not a person that is a bull shitter or liar. I pretty much say what is on my mind and straight to the point. This might hit a nerve with some people but that is just who I am. I don't like to be ripped off and I don't like seeing people in this hobby getting ripped off as well.

CuriousGeorge · #5 05-29-2019, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

Unlike forum boards were ads are basically 100% of their revenue. VCP main income comes from our membership not from advertisers. Advertising makes up less than 7% of our revenue. Our main interest has always been members first and only. I have from day one since starting VCP tried my best to be as neutral as humanly possible. I sold all of my collection so that there would be no reason for me to have any thing to gain by doing what we do. I have been contacted many times trying to get me to remove certain sales data from the website for people that I flat out denied. I have run VCP with integrity and honesty from the start. I am not a person to beat around the bush and I am not a person that is a bull shitter or liar. I pretty much say what is on my mind and straight to the point. This might hit a nerve with some people but that is just who I am. I don't like to be ripped off and I don't like seeing people in this hobby getting ripped off as well.

Then a good start to prove that will be to read the overwhelming evidence provided by Blowout and stop taking PWCC advertising dollars. The road to ripoffs appears to be traveling directly through there.

lowpopper · #6 05-29-2019, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Then a good start to prove that will be to read the overwhelming evidence provided by Blowout and stop taking PWCC advertising dollars. The road to ripoffs appears to be traveling directly through there.

It is unfair to demand a man relinquish 7% of his
business� income just because the advertiser is
under some public scrutiny. That is unless you plan
on taking out that ad space in replacement.

BobbyVCP · #7 05-29-2019, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by lowpopper

It is unfair to demand a man relinquish 7% of his
business� income just because the advertiser is
under some public scrutiny. That is unless you plan
on taking out that ad space in replacement.

Advertisement as a whole not just one client...we have many SCL, PSA, Lelands, PWCC, Just Rip It, R & R, etc...all those combined make up 7%

Peter_Spaeth · #8 07-09-2019, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

Advertisement as a whole not just one client...we have many SCL, PSA, Lelands, PWCC, Just Rip It, R & R, etc...all those combined make up 7%

So why did you reinstate PWCC ads on your website? Do you think they're a good company to be promoting after all you've seen recently?

CuriousGeorge · #9 05-29-2019, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by lowpopper

It is unfair to demand a man relinquish 7% of his
business� income just because the advertiser is
under some public scrutiny. That is unless you plan
on taking out that ad space in replacement.

One man�s public scrutiny is another man�s complicit fraud.

swarmee · #10 05-29-2019, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

I have been contacted many times trying to get me to remove certain sales data from the website for people that I flat out denied. I have run VCP with integrity and honesty from the start.

The Blowout guys are saying that your site's PWCC card back scans have also been deleted, however back scans from other sellers are still visible. Is this true? Is this another poorly timed glitch or were you asked by eBay or PWCC to remove those images?
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...290614&page=87

Now you see why everything looks like a conspiracy?

Republicaninmass · #11 05-29-2019, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

The Blowout guys are saying that your site's PWCC card back scans have also been deleted, however back scans from other sellers are still visible. Is this true? Is this another poorly timed glitch or were you asked by eBay or PWCC to remove those images?

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...290614&page=87

Now you see why everything looks like a conspiracy?

If this is true, you think a minimum 7% of members could file a dispute on their credit card?

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BobbyVCP · #12 05-29-2019, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

The Blowout guys are saying that your site's PWCC card back scans have also been deleted, however back scans from other sellers are still visible. Is this true? Is this another poorly timed glitch or were you asked by eBay or PWCC to remove those images?
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...290614&page=87

Now you see why everything looks like a conspiracy?

Yeah sure I am removing scans of cards...are you crazy...first of all looking at every single one of those cards they have used in their proof. All images before alteration have come from Worthpoint or PWCC and after alteration from PWCC. Not one single link or image has been pointed towards VCP.

So tell me why would i be deleting images.

Peter_Spaeth · #13 05-29-2019, 09:41 AM

Sheesh.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2162

steve B · #14 05-30-2019, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sheesh.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2162

That's one very sophisticated alteration.

swarmee · #15 05-29-2019, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

Yeah sure I am removing scans of cards...are you crazy...first of all looking at every single one of those cards they have used in their proof. All images before alteration have come from Worthpoint or PWCC and after alteration from PWCC. Not one single link or image has been pointed towards VCP.

So tell me why would i be deleting images.

I am not. They are claiming that the PWCC sales prior to 2015 have lost back scans.

Fuddjcal · #16 05-29-2019, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

Yeah sure I am removing scans of cards...are you crazy...first of all looking at every single one of those cards they have used in their proof. All images before alteration have come from Worthpoint or PWCC and after alteration from PWCC. Not one single link or image has been pointed towards VCP.

So tell me why would i be deleting images.

I don't think you would shut your business down like that, unless Brent Mastro bought you out.

Your site showed the backs BACK FROM 2015.

BobbyVCP · #17 05-29-2019, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

I don't think you would shut your business down like that, unless Brent Mastro bought you out.

Your site showed the backs BACK FROM 2015.

Again we did not remove any back images...for us to do something like that would be virtually impossible. If you look at images on our site there are cases where there are any where from 1 to 6,7,8 images of any given sale. And then they are in no particular order the first image is not always the front of the card, it could be the back of the card. There is no set consistency the way the images are loaded on the site, it is a direct pull for the auction houses and however they set their order.

I would like to see some examples of these missing images but no one has submitted a "Report a Problem" on VCP for me to look into the matter. Think I saw somewhere the seller Probstein was brought up and if that is the case he did not provide back images for years so there would not even be a back image to delete. Not all sellers provide back images. We can only pull what is there and not something out of thin air if it does not exist.

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