PWCC listing of 1952 Mantle PSA 4.5 appears to be pressed

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I wouldn't think someone pressing down a corner would be grounds to pull an auction or a PSA grade and cert number. I would be fine with this "alteration" if I were bidding on the card.

It's not fine according to PSA's own standards.

PSA will not grade cards that bear evidence of trimming, re-coloring, restoration, or any other forms of tampering, or are of questionable authenticity.

Look at the before and after photos. The card has been "tampered" with there is zero question assuming it's the same card.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's not fine according to PSA's own standards.

PSA will not grade cards that bear evidence of trimming, re-coloring, restoration, or any other forms of tampering, or are of questionable authenticity.

Look at the before and after photos. The card has been "tampered" with there is zero question assuming it's the same card.

Is pressing down a corner that was a little dinged tampering? I don't know the answer but this doesn't strike me as something that would qualify.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Is pressing down a corner that was a little dinged tampering? I don't know the answer but this doesn't strike me as something that would qualify.

Did you see the before and after photos? And yes, if it's dinged, it qualifies.

[swarmee]

PWCC responded at the end of Page 5 in that thread claiming that this card shows conservation, not alteration. Bold move, Cotton.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

PWCC responded at the end of Page 5 in that thread claiming that this card shows conservation, not alteration. Bold move, Cotton.

That's disgraceful, in my opinion.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ah here you go, Jesse. I was looking for this before.

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N-5 Altered Stock - This includes, but is not limited to characteristics on the card that appear to show some form of alteration such as paper restoration, crease/wrinkle pressing or enhanced gloss.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ah here you go, Jesse. I was looking for this before.

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N-5 Altered Stock - This includes, but is not limited to characteristics on the card that appear to show some form of alteration such as paper restoration, crease/wrinkle pressing or enhanced gloss.

Apparently this card did not bear evidence of having been restored or altered and the question is why? Was the work that good and therefore not detectable, has PSA lost their ability to assess cards or does PSA look the other way for some who submit cards?

Seems PWCC has nobody they have to answer to in the hobby or beyond whereby they can blatantly spin what most in the hobby deem is an alteration into it being justifiable conservation. If that is the case then they should at a minimum, amend the description to disclose the "conservation", and notify all active bidders of the amendment and if they knew in advance of listing that the card had had work it should have been disclosed in the original listing.

I am sure the neither PSA nor PWCC are happy that photo of the raw card exists. Quite sure that PSA would not openly support PWCC's stance on conservation but clearly the evidence is that they either cannot detect this type of work or they might deem it acceptable behind closed doors.