PWCC listing of 1952 Mantle PSA 4.5 appears to be pressed

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by bnorth

They look like exactly the same card to me. To me the picture on the right shows the same card after a little more work was done.

Ben, there is not a dispute that both of these images are of the same card (albeit in different holders), the question was really how much, if any, work was done on this corner(or others).....apparently not enough work to move the card up to a higher grade in the grader's mind.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Ben, there is not a dispute that both of these images are of the same card (albeit in different holders), the question was really how much, if any, work was done on this corner(or others).....apparently not enough work to move the card up to a higher grade in the grader's mind.

But I thought the work on the upper right was BEFORE the first slabbing?????

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

But I thought the work on the upper right was BEFORE the first slabbing?????

I saw the image on BO of the raw version....yes, before this card's appearance at HA, the corners looked much different in their raw form. At least to me, there appears to be major differences between the raw and HA appearances and then more subtle changes between HA and PWCC appearances.

Could the original pressing job have come undone and was repressed after HA?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

I saw the image on BO of the raw version....yes, before this card's appearance at HA, the corners looked much different in their raw form. At least to me, there appears to be major differences between the raw and HA appearances and then more subtle changes between HA and PWCC appearances.

Could the original pressing job have come undone and was repressed after HA?

I am just speculating that one set of work was performed pre-Heritage and another (on a different corner) was performed pre-PWCC. If that's right, PSA missed this twice. Lovely. But the problem with that theory is if there was a second card doctor, he surely would have recognized the initial work and not taken a chance on cracking the card out? Anyhow, it's a shame we even have to think about this stuff. Now back to your regularly scheduled love-in for PSA and PWCC.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am just speculating that one set of work was performed pre-Heritage and another (on a different corner) was performed pre-PWCC. If that's right, PSA missed this twice. Lovely. But the problem with that theory is if there was a second card doctor, he surely would have recognized the initial work and not taken a chance on cracking the card out?

That statement about the work appears to be accurate. The pre-HA work was likely done by someone to get the card from what could have been a 3.5 to 4 grade to a 4.5. Card is sold via HA, my guess to a new owner.

The new post-HA owner feels that with this card's centering and overall appeal, that with a little more work, he could pick up another point or at least half a point to get that "5". The post-HA owner has the work done and resubmits.....but, to the post-HA owner's dismay, even with the new work the card receives the same grade. The card doc may/may not have recognized that there was previous work (due to lack of quality, the case itself), but either way felt the card could still be improved to a 5 or better.


For those who rely on the registry, the serial number for the HA flip is still an active serial number in the system, thus adding another copy to the population. Not to go OT, but how many other copies of this card have multiple s/ns?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Probably quite a few.

It will be interesting to see what happens to this auction, whether PSA or PWCC will do anything or just do the ostrich thing.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

I guess I don’t see the point. It looks like it went from a 4.5 to a 4.5 to a 4.5. If you go through the work to improve the card shouldn’t the card improve?