recent auto counterfeits - the effects on auto collecting??

[mrvster]

Thanks so much.......I can't agree with you more!
absolutely spot on


That Mantle does look "pack fresh".......I can see why your dad loved it so much.....very touching story ......please don't ever sell or trade that card!

it will get justice one day......if I had my grading company going and we expanded into other cards, I would make sure that card got the grade it deserves....

a card like that needs provenance.....back story......it should all come with the card.....then have the extensive panel research the card, and get it in the right holder.....a report.....photos....ect.....

it would be sweet to have almost like a mini bio to accompany a card...like a "write up" from you, with your auto, drivers lics, ect.....some kind of back story....documentation, photo.....attach this to the report and flip/cert number with the proper grade.....


your dad is smiling still keep that card in the family....if I ever get a grading company one day, your card will be #1 on my list

ALMOST LIKE A JUSTICE FOR CARDS!

[mrvster]

looking at your card more, it is an absolute blazer! that should be a solid 8 all day, maybe better....

the gloss is amazing from the scan

[ruth_rookie]

Originally Posted by mrvster

your dad is smiling still keep that card in the family....if I ever get a grading company one day, your card will be #1 on my list

ALMOST LIKE A JUSTICE FOR CARDS!

Thanks brother. That means more than you know. This discussion got me thinking, and I wonder if the TPG’s look at your submission history before grading your new submission. I can envision a situation where this smoking hot, potentially $50k card arrives. They say “wow! This is too good to be true”. So they pull my account history up and see that I’ve submitted nothing but $500 to $1000 cards over the last decade. But now he has this five-figure gem? Yeah right dude. You either hit the lotto or trimmed a mid-grade card. Too good to be true considering the low POP on high-grade ‘53 Mantles, so no need to go through the motions with this one.... TRIMMED!!

What sucks too is I was so convinced it’s legit that I put a declared a value of $24k on the sub form. Wanted to do the right thing and pay what is right to get it slabbed. If I had even the slightest fear that it was trimmed I would have declared a value of $500 and paid a minimal grading fee. So not only did it come back without a numerical grade, I paid $900 to have it deemed worthless!!!

[mrvster]

you are a smart and honest dude....you are the kind of collector that improves our hobby........your dad was proud of that card, and every right he should be! it is an absolute beauty and I can see why he kept it locked up.......2 semi soft top corners would keep it from a 9....id have to see the back....and see the card in person, but if your dad pulled that from a pack and kept it locked up, no WAY is it trimmed(only from the factory).....

that card is actually PRICELESS - being your dads pride and joy.....do not ever let that go, trust me

it will get the proper grade one day.......especially if I had ever started a grading company.....I would take all factors into account before "rendering" a decision.....some fact cut cards prob look "trimmed" just from production.....I'm sure it's possible....some graders just need to evaluate cards a little better, get more opinions from other experts or even other companies, put more time on a card , especially at a $900.00 PRICE TAG

what a "rip off".....think about this, HOW CAN YOU DECLARE THE VALUE-declared value is subjective and just really not measurable.... by just guessing????you can't because they haven't assigned a grade!! how corrupt....that doesn't seem right???? also, if they deem the card "AUTH" then waive the fee!!! you already got screwed , I am sure, as soon as you wrote the check and submitted it unfortunately.... charge a "nominal fee" if card fails the inspection basically.....card was worth $25 k to you if it was graded 9 or a 10 or more...

it's so wrong on so many levels.....

I read that article again by IRV.....wow


Jason- beautiful, priceless card

[ruth_rookie]

Originally Posted by mrvster

your dad is smiling still keep that card in the family....if I ever get a grading company one day, your card will be #1 on my list

ALMOST LIKE A JUSTICE FOR CARDS!

Thanks brother. That means more than you know. This discussion got me thinking, and I wonder if the TPG’s look at your submission history before grading your new submission. I can envision a situation where this smoking hot, potentially $50k card arrives. They say “wow! This is too good to be true”. So they pull my account history up and see that I’ve submitted nothing but $500 to $1000 cards over the last decade. But now he has this five-figure gem? Yeah right dude. You either hit the lotto or trimmed a mid-grade card. Too good to be true considering the low POP on high-grade ‘53 Mantles, so no need to go through the motions with this one.... TRIMMED!!

What sucks too is I was so convinced it’s legit that I put a declared a value of $24k on the sub form. Wanted to do the right thing and pay what is right to get it slapped. If I had even the slightest fear that it was trimmed I would have declared a value of $500 and paid a minimal grading fee. So not only did it come back without a numerical grade, I paid $900 to have it deemed worthless!!!

[mrvster]

first of all....thanks for the post! I know sometimes we bicker here, but it's all for the good of our hobby.....we debate a lot on this board and a lot of positive does come out of it!

thanks for reading the whole post, because sorting through the crap(I never back down when right, and won't let other push me around or put me down), as I am no better than you even with your limited experience, you are quite wise already!


Your ideas are absolutely BRILLIANT! so simple, yet so effective!WOW

this is what I'm talking about.....the buzz phrase "moving forward", let's safeguard.....the photo opt at the signing is just AWESOME AWESOME IDEA! not sure why it's not offered already, it should be


I like the invisible ink, and ideas "outside the box" another catch phrase I hate


we live in a society of tech advances, need this to work for us, not against....

I'm sure new methods ect can be used in the future detecting fraud and a push should be for documentation and provenance

[mrvster]

btw.....my mom passed two years ago.....I can't tell you how much I miss her, wordsjust can't describe......

she bought me an uncut sheet of 1982 topps from a shopping mall baseball card show in 1982....it has a cal ripken on it......I had it rolled up in a closet for years......I forgot about it almost.....has some damage now, but, by far, is my most cherished card / piece I own.....

it's the memory of us together in the mall and the time we spent together...


I wouldn't sell it trade it for anything, not even a wagner


brings a tear to my eye just typing this....

Jason, cherish that mantle like your dad