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12-06-2018, 06:49 PM
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Would anybody in favor of his inclusion in the Hall of Fame be considered insane?
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12-06-2018, 10:16 PM
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McLain and Sain…..Perfect together.....Should Johnny Sain be in the Hall of Fame ?
Hey you "nay-sayers".....how much do you really know about Johnny Sain's career in Baseball ? ?
I saw him Pitch (1947-1955) and I followed his Coaching career (1961-1975)…. and unless you did too, you're not knowledgeable enough to form an opinion. Anyhow, check-out these successes...... Whitey Ford was 25-4 (1961) and 24-7 (1963) with Sain as his new coach. Prior to those years, Whitey had not won 20 games. Jim Bouton in his 2nd year with the Yankees was 21-7, which he credited Johnny Sain for his success. Jim Katt won 25 games for the 1966 Minnesota Twins. Won 21 (1974) and 20 (1975) with the White Sox. Sain was his pitching coach on both these teams. Goose Gossage racked up 20-33 Saves per season 10 times. In his autobiography he credits Johnny Sain (1972-1975) for his success on the mound. And, there are many more successes that I can name. Anyhow, as I said in post #1 here, the most notable one is Denny McLain. It's a shame that Sain did not stay with Detroit, for I think he would have kept McLain on the straight track.  1947 BOND BREAD rookie card Look guys, there are Pitchers in the HOF that have considerably less numbers than JohnnySain….. Tom Lasorda for example. But, of course he's in as a Manager. Then why not induct Sain into the HOF as one of the most effective pitching coaches in BB history ? ? TED Z T206 Reference .
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12-08-2018, 12:37 AM
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"And, there are many more successes that I can name. Anyhow, as I said in post #1 here, the most notable one is Denny McLain. It's a shame that Sain did
not stay with Detroit, for I think he would have kept McLain on the straight track" There is no way to have kept that POS on a good track. He is a criminal and should still be sitting in a cell for life. It's simply amazing that people talk about Rose, ARod and the ilk in such tones around here. But commit numerous crimes and defraud pensioners of millions leaving the elderly homeless and you are ok. McClain is likely one of the worst people to have ever played the game. No one ever received more second chances and deserved none. Not arguing it more, as a tiger fan I wish he was wiped from our legacy.
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12-06-2018, 10:46 PM
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no "merry christmas" for you.
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12-06-2018, 08:13 PM
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12-06-2018, 09:52 PM
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Others before Sain
What about Allie Reynolds. Sain’s teammate for a stretch with Yankees.
Sain was above average as a pitcher but not great. Though I like the thought that Sain was a great pitching coach, I think it’s unlikely he would be inducted as a pitching coach. Allie Reynolds should be next up if any additional pitcher from that golden era (my favorite era) gets in. Allie was a winner and did anything needed to win championships. Reynolds started and relieved in the same seasons and was one of the best in the league as a starter and a reliever within the same year, and the same World Series several times. Sain was very good. Allie was great. Super chief! Last edited by Bram99; 12-06-2018 at 09:53 PM. Reason: Typo
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12-06-2018, 10:15 PM
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There has been occasional talk of Leo Mazzone going in as a pitching coach.
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12-06-2018, 11:11 PM
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Allie Reynolds
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Hi Tony I second your comments regarding Allie Reynolds. He was a great starting Pitcher....and, Casey Stengel would also bring him in as a Relief pitcher. Reynolds is 7 - 2 (W-L) in World Series play.... with 4 Saves. I still remember the 1951 season when Allie pitched 2 no-hitters. After the 2nd no-hitter, Yankees broadcaster Mel Allen began calling Allie the “ Super Chief " .  TED Z T206 Reference .
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12-06-2018, 11:38 PM
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"I saw him Pitch (1947-1955) and I followed his Coaching career (1961-1975)…. and unless you did too, you're not knowledgeable enough to form an opinion."
Then why ask the question, Ted? It's already the Hall of Really Good. Do you want to make it the Hall of Pretty Good? And in answer to your question about 1961, Ford won 25 games because he had his most starts ever(Casey Stengel was gone and Ralph Houk let Ford pitch every fourth day and the season went from 154 to 162 games), had a great run producing team, and had two expansion clubs join the AL. His ERA was the highest of his career. Last edited by oldjudge; 12-07-2018 at 01:15 PM.
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12-07-2018, 06:31 AM
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Ok Ted Z...
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12-07-2018, 08:38 AM
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114 wins by age 25? That's incredible! Wonder if anyone has exceeded that.
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12-07-2018, 11:58 AM
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12-07-2018, 01:03 PM
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The idea of inducting a pitching coach is intriguing, no doubt.
Assistant Coaches are not given their due in any sport - the awards always go to the Managers and Head Coaches. There have been some noteworthy hitting coaches as well. Davey Lopes maybe the best 'specialty' coach of All-Time - but he'll never make it. Ron Washington is making some headway in Atlanta as a specialist in infield defense. Scouts are given plenty of legendary story-lines of 'landing the big one', but get stiffed as well. Johnny Sain, as Mr. Z has recounted, is one of the few pitching coaches who 'created' success several times in several different cities and that sets him apart from others making the same efforts. All that being said, I think we're railing at windmills with this discussion. .
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12-08-2018, 06:00 PM
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12-09-2018, 05:27 AM
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He was 139-116, with a 3.49 ERA (107 ERA+), 3.66 FIP, and 1.300 WHIP. He actually had more seasons with an ERA below the league average, then he did above. He was fantastic in 1946 and 1948, but if that's enough then I can't wait for Tim Lincecum's induction.
If he makes the Hall of Fame as a pitcher, we would probably need to induct another ~125 pitchers alongside him. Nobody has ever been inducted into the Hall of Fame as a coach. If they started doing this, one could make a case that Sain should be considered, but that is also true for 50 other people. Sain isn't a Hall of Famer. He doesn't barely miss the cut off. By any statistical based argument, he does not make it. He was a good pitcher who lived an interesting life, which is a fine legacy indeed
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12-07-2018, 01:31 PM
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https://www.sporcle.com/games/sweett...-before-age-25 https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...athech01.shtml https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ohnswa01.shtml
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