Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

In Spring 2016 Hunt...
4. Rhoades Hands at Chest

The first 3 from Hunt are bad. Odds are so is the Zimmermann.

[The Nasty Nati]

I have a bad feeling about these too. Fairly newly graded, red SGC label, and ball point pen signature on the Cicotte. The Marquards look like the one that opened pandoras box.

Cicotte was Hunt Auctions July 2018 (Sold for $11k) https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...=222&lot_qual=
Marquards was Hunt Auctions March 2017 (Both sold for over $1k)

[calvindog]

10-15 years ago it was rare to find a signed T206. Now they're all over the place and I don't know many people who didn't find this unusual. I've never bought one and never will for that reason, among many. There's too many frauds in this hobby as it is so you really need to stick to materials that can't be faked. And even then you need to worry about shill bidders, the Mastros of the world and their coconspirators. Best to avoid adding risk to an already risky hobby. And we've all been burned once at least so no one is above this.

[Thromdog]

Seller: colleenscollect
Feb 22, 2015

[The Nasty Nati]

Whelp I think I found the Cicotte one. There seems to be additional minor creasing and scuffs done to the autograph version, but as we saw with the Flick this forger likes to add a few new creases from time to time. The centering of the card on the front and back are identical. And the crease on the lower right side by his hand are identical. There is even an identical crease on the back in the sweet caporal border in the lower right side. The corners of the card are identical. And both have Fact. 30 backs. Not as concrete as when I found the Rhoades, but I'm 99% certain this is it. Take a look at the links to see for yourself.

This card went from a $65 card to a $11k card.

Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...eet-1817520994

Hunt Auctions link:
https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...=222&lot_qual=

[theshleps]

is anyone checking their 1933'S, exhibits, play balls, other tobacco, etc?

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

Whelp I think I found the Cicotte one. There seems to be additional minor creasing and scuffs done to the autograph version, but as we saw with the Flick this forger likes to add a few new creases from time to time The centering of the card on the front and back are identical. And the crease on the lower left side by his hand are identical. So are the corners of the card. And both have Fact. 30 backs. Not as concrete as when I found the Rhoades, but I'm 99% certain this is it. Take a look at the links to see for yourself.

This card went from a $65 card to a $11k card.

Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...eet-1817520994

Hunt Auctions link:
https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...=222&lot_qual=

That scan is blurry so I can't tell for sure. I was looking at that same Cicotte card on Worthpoint earlier today and just wasn't 100% sure on it.

[Pat R]

The Flick was purchased from Scott by the same buyer.

Flick Sale.jpg

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by Pat R

The Flick was purchased from Scott by the same buyer.

Attachment 335761

This is a full blown scandal now.

At this point, board members should insist that SGC, PSA, and JSA immediately search their records for all cert #'s submitted by this forger and issue an immediate hobby-wide recall notice on each cert, and post it here.

[t206kid]

Originally Posted by Pat R

The Flick was purchased from Scott by the same buyer.

Attachment 335761

Looks like the same buyer also bought a Shaw, Murray, and a Crawford in the same transaction with Scott. UGH.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

Whelp I think I found the Cicotte one. There seems to be additional minor creasing and scuffs done to the autograph version, but as we saw with the Flick this forger likes to add a few new creases from time to time. The centering of the card on the front and back are identical. And the crease on the lower left side by his hand are identical. So are the corners of the card. And both have Fact. 30 backs. Not as concrete as when I found the Rhoades, but I'm 99% certain this is it. Take a look at the links to see for yourself.

This card went from a $65 card to a $11k card.

I was the underbidder on that one. I’ve never been so happy to be outbid.

[The Nasty Nati]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

Whelp I think I found the Cicotte one. There seems to be additional minor creasing and scuffs done to the autograph version, but as we saw with the Flick this forger likes to add a few new creases from time to time. The centering of the card on the front and back are identical. And the crease on the lower right side by his hand are identical. There is even an identical crease on the back in the sweet caporal border in the lower right side. The corners of the card are identical. And both have Fact. 30 backs. Not as concrete as when I found the Rhoades, but I'm 99% certain this is it. Take a look at the links to see for yourself.

This card went from a $65 card to a $11k card.

Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...eet-1817520994

Hunt Auctions link:
https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...=222&lot_qual=

I'm now 100% convinced that this is the Cicotte card. I just noticed that there is also a crease in the lower left side of the card too that matches the auto version. And since we now have several examples where the forger added his own scuffs and creases, this card has to be the one.

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

I'm now 100% convinced that this is the Cicotte card. I just noticed that there is also a crease in the lower left side of the card too that matches the auto version. And since we now have several examples where the forger added his own scuffs and creases, this card has to be the one.

Strange that this forger had the foresight to add extra wear in order to disguise the card, yet at the same time, be so reckless in signing other cards with easily identifiable surface features.

Possible 2nd, unrelated forger?

[sycks22]

I hope there's a Wagner auto out there sometime in the near future.

[t206kid]

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[swarmee]

All four are from the same submission number.

[SetBuilder]

The Zimmermann is very similar to this exemplar.

[oldjudge]

This can’t be that hard. Start with the auction houses since they have the most to lose. Ask who consigned the cards. If they refuse post their names here and I bet they will face losing a lot of business. They should be the most interested in solving this issue since it will diminish their realizations if this is not solved.
Clean Sweep sells a lot of autographed material. Steve Verkman should be leading the charge to catch these forgers.

[yanks12025]

So one of the sellers who has sold several of the cards is a member here and the other guy is a big ebay seller.. Has any of these people replied to messages willing to offer help?