Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[Pat R]

The Flick was purchased from Scott by the same buyer.

Flick Sale.jpg

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by Pat R

The Flick was purchased from Scott by the same buyer.

Attachment 335761

This is a full blown scandal now.

At this point, board members should insist that SGC, PSA, and JSA immediately search their records for all cert #'s submitted by this forger and issue an immediate hobby-wide recall notice on each cert, and post it here.

[atx840]

This is really shitty. I’m currently investigating several fabricated T206 errors that are graded and have sold for up to 11k at auctioN.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by atx840

This is really shitty. I’m currently investigating several fabricated T206 errors that are graded and have sold for up to 11k at auctioN.

Chris, are you referring to ghost images and anomalies like that? If so, have you found anything yet (saw the Cobb ghost card).

[atx840]

I have found one faked ghost and am investigating another, just waiting on scans. It’s a big part of why I have taken a break and why I have started posting again.

My worry is they start buying privately or make modifications to the card (creases, dirt, ink, stamps) to differentiate it from any previous scans.

Not good.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

This is a full blown scandal now.

At this point, board members should insist that SGC, PSA, and JSA immediately search their records for all cert #'s submitted by this forger and issue an immediate hobby-wide recall notice on each cert, and post it here.

Agreed. And the auction houses which sold these frauds need to start contacting their consigners and the winners of these bad lots.

[t206kid]

Originally Posted by Pat R

The Flick was purchased from Scott by the same buyer.

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Looks like the same buyer also bought a Shaw, Murray, and a Crawford in the same transaction with Scott. UGH.

[itjclarke]

Picked up this Marquard 2 months ago in PWCC, my only signed T206 HOFer. JSA LOA is a little over a year old, and it sold at Huggins shortly after. Similar slant to the originally posted Marquard, however slightly different sig.

If it's not genuine, curious if it may have previously sold in an A holder? Huggins had disclosed the card as being trimmed.

T206 Rube Marquard signed.jpgT206 Rube Marquard signed back.jpg
T206 Rube Marquard signed JSA LOA.jpg

[Republicaninmass]

THIS many 206 and nobody here has sold the buyer any?

[The Nasty Nati]

Edit: Nevermind, I made a mistake with the Marquard

What do you guys think, same card? This was the closest I can find. But I don't think this is the same card because the border on the bottom is thicker....Unless this guy trims cards too. Yikes. However that signature looks a lot like the Marquard rejected signature that blew everything up.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1909-11-t206-rube-marquard-follow-419403623

This could really ruin JSA's reputation. I don't see how they never thought to do a quick background check of cards. Takes no time.

[tsalem]

Thoughts on this one? This whole story is just crazy!

[The Nasty Nati]

Originally Posted by tsalem

Thoughts on this one? This whole story is just crazy!

Your Flick is unfortunately probably this one. Hard to tell though since it's blurry.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-psa-136547898

Notice that both have the one spec missing in the grass in the right. And you can even see the sliver of white missing in border in the top left. And the centering looks the same. Do you have a picture of the back?

Edit: Looks like you may be in the clear. I think I found the same card but with a clearer picture. I think the corners on your card are sharper and your centering top to bottom is a little different
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...mont-486696958

[t206kid]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

Nevermind I made a mistake with that Marquard post.

Damn...had a great joke teed up and everything.

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

Nevermind I made a mistake with that Marquard post.

Yep, same card, and same ugly slanted black marker signature.

I'm running out of space on the thread title to add more names. This is the 9th, and the Cicotte is possibly the 10th.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by t206kid

Looks like the same buyer also bought a Shaw, Murray, and a Crawford in the same transaction with Scott. UGH.

Always wondered why we don’t see any attempts to forge a Shaw - he died in the 1970s and has six letters in his name! Wonder if it got rejected.

The Murray is highly relevant to me as I have one of those signed which I bought in Hunt (shown above).

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Always wondered why we don’t see any attempts to forge a Shaw - he died in the 1970s and has six letters in his name! Wonder if it got rejected.

The Murray is highly relevant to me as I have one of those signed which I bought in Hunt (shown above).

The TPA's should know the name and location of this forger.

We hereby demand that they release his name so that he may be tarred and feathered on the public square for all to see.

[AGuinness]

Truly stunning, both for the breadth of the forgeries and the impact on the hobby, but also stunningly awesome the research and evidence you guys are piling up.

Frankly, if I had an auction house, I would be in touch with you guys to see if you'd want a job.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

The TPA's should know the name and location of this forger.

We hereby demand that they release his name so that he may be tarred and feathered on the public square for all to see.

A lot more has to happen to this forger, a lot more.
Great work here guys.
Manny, I sent you a PM.

[The Nasty Nati]

This was in the Heritage Dec 2016 Auction. How the hell was this authenticated? Forgery or not, this doesn't look anything like Marquard's signature. Not even his supposed wife's signature.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/s...umbnail-071515

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

This was in the Heritage Dec 2016 Auction. How the hell was this authenticated? Forgery or not, this doesn't look anything like Marquard's signature. Not even his supposed wife's signature.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/s...umbnail-071515

Awful signature....

[t206kid]

A buddy of mine on Facebook did some great detective work on this one. I bought this very recently from T206collector. Despite probably having one of his worst days in awhile, he is a total stand-up guy and has already refunded me.

Card originally sold here in July:http://auction.aacsautographs.com/it...QFSUPRZEaFHwKA

Then sold to T206collector here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LARRY-DOYLE...-/263825275600

[ullmandds]

Hmmm...the doctor/Forger attempted to change the appearance of the card by adding creases/damage before forging the autograph...good thing these cards are like fingerprints.

Originally Posted by t206kid

A buddy of mine on Facebook did some great detective work on this one. I bought this very recently from T206collector. Despite probably having one of his worst days in awhile, he is a total stand-up guy and has already refunded me.

Card originally sold here in July:http://auction.aacsautographs.com/it...QFSUPRZEaFHwKA

Then sold to T206collector here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LARRY-DOYLE...-/263825275600

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by t206kid

A buddy of mine on Facebook did some great detective work on this one. I bought this very recently from T206collector. Despite probably having one of his worst days in awhile, he is a total stand-up guy and has already refunded me.

Card originally sold here in July:http://auction.aacsautographs.com/it...QFSUPRZEaFHwKA

Then sold to T206collector here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LARRY-DOYLE...-/263825275600

They put quite a bit of extra wear on that one. Holy smokes.

[22eckstein]

Originally Posted by t206kid

A buddy of mine on Facebook did some great detective work on this one. I bought this very recently from T206collector. Despite probably having one of his worst days in awhile, he is a total stand-up guy and has already refunded me.

Card originally sold here in July:http://auction.aacsautographs.com/it...QFSUPRZEaFHwKA

Then sold to T206collector here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LARRY-DOYLE...-/263825275600

Wow this is getting crazy!

[asoriano]

I remember looking at a T206 Livingstone American Beauty 350 that was signed on the reverse this past summer at the National.

It's a shot in the dark, but did anyone happen to grab a picture of it by chance?