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Old 11-28-2018, 05:27 PM
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Looks like the same buyer also bought a Shaw, Murray, and a Crawford in the same transaction with Scott. UGH.
Always wondered why we don’t see any attempts to forge a Shaw - he died in the 1970s and has six letters in his name! Wonder if it got rejected.

The Murray is highly relevant to me as I have one of those signed which I bought in Hunt (shown above).
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:33 PM
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Always wondered why we don’t see any attempts to forge a Shaw - he died in the 1970s and has six letters in his name! Wonder if it got rejected.

The Murray is highly relevant to me as I have one of those signed which I bought in Hunt (shown above).
The TPA's should know the name and location of this forger.

We hereby demand that they release his name so that he may be tarred and feathered on the public square for all to see.
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:36 PM
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Truly stunning, both for the breadth of the forgeries and the impact on the hobby, but also stunningly awesome the research and evidence you guys are piling up.

Frankly, if I had an auction house, I would be in touch with you guys to see if you'd want a job.
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:38 PM
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The TPA's should know the name and location of this forger.

We hereby demand that they release his name so that he may be tarred and feathered on the public square for all to see.
A lot more has to happen to this forger, a lot more.
Great work here guys.
Manny, I sent you a PM.
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This was in the Heritage Dec 2016 Auction. How the hell was this authenticated? Forgery or not, this doesn't look anything like Marquard's signature. Not even his supposed wife's signature.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/s...umbnail-071515
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:39 PM
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This was in the Heritage Dec 2016 Auction. How the hell was this authenticated? Forgery or not, this doesn't look anything like Marquard's signature. Not even his supposed wife's signature.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/s...umbnail-071515
Awful signature....
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:49 PM
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A buddy of mine on Facebook did some great detective work on this one. I bought this very recently from T206collector. Despite probably having one of his worst days in awhile, he is a total stand-up guy and has already refunded me.

Card originally sold here in July:http://auction.aacsautographs.com/it...QFSUPRZEaFHwKA

Then sold to T206collector here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LARRY-DOYLE...-/263825275600
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Hmmm...the doctor/Forger attempted to change the appearance of the card by adding creases/damage before forging the autograph...good thing these cards are like fingerprints.



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A buddy of mine on Facebook did some great detective work on this one. I bought this very recently from T206collector. Despite probably having one of his worst days in awhile, he is a total stand-up guy and has already refunded me.

Card originally sold here in July:http://auction.aacsautographs.com/it...QFSUPRZEaFHwKA

Then sold to T206collector here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LARRY-DOYLE...-/263825275600
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:54 PM
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A buddy of mine on Facebook did some great detective work on this one. I bought this very recently from T206collector. Despite probably having one of his worst days in awhile, he is a total stand-up guy and has already refunded me.

Card originally sold here in July:http://auction.aacsautographs.com/it...QFSUPRZEaFHwKA

Then sold to T206collector here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LARRY-DOYLE...-/263825275600
They put quite a bit of extra wear on that one. Holy smokes.
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:10 PM
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A buddy of mine on Facebook did some great detective work on this one. I bought this very recently from T206collector. Despite probably having one of his worst days in awhile, he is a total stand-up guy and has already refunded me.

Card originally sold here in July:http://auction.aacsautographs.com/it...QFSUPRZEaFHwKA

Then sold to T206collector here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LARRY-DOYLE...-/263825275600
Wow this is getting crazy!
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:22 PM
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I’m not involved in T206 autos and am still pretty new to the forum. But it’s pretty clear that these third party graders do absolutely no real forensic analysis about these signed cards if board members can identify forgeries within hours.

In all seriousness, some of the guys here who are most adept at this should start their own grading service. After reading this great work, I do think that would restore confidence.

I’m getting nervous about my modern autos...

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Old 11-28-2018, 08:38 PM
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There are a few more Marquard signed (authenticated) T206 cards on fleabay:



https://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T20...frcectupt=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rube-Marqua...frcectupt=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-1911-T...frcectupt=true


Also (2) Doyles and a Carrigan
All 3 of those sigs look completely different from one another yet all 3 were certified as authentic?

This was a great, although very sad, read.

Just glad this site continues to prove over and over again, that if a person wants to know something, this is the site for it.

Great detective work everyone!
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:52 PM
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I remember looking at a T206 Livingstone American Beauty 350 that was signed on the reverse this past summer at the National.

It's a shot in the dark, but did anyone happen to grab a picture of it by chance?
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