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Old 11-28-2018, 02:51 PM
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Wow. That one was mine. I bought it through REA in 2015. It had JSA authentication at the time, and I subsequently had PSA authenticate it.
Wow, I am speechless. As someone who deals in autographs, this seriously makes my heart hurt. I currently only own one signed T206 , and the owner of it before me (board member) had it since the 1980's. I've always felt it was authentic but alas it never passed TPA. Now I see all of these recently created ones and it makes me sick to my stomach.
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Old 11-28-2018, 02:57 PM
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This so bad for the hobby on so many levels. T206 autos are such a cool rarity. These are my two both bought from well known net54ers. Don't have any doubts, but if anyone wants to do detective work I would appreciate it.

Snodgrass is Polar Bear and Doyle is Sweet Cap 350-460 42 overprint.

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Old 11-28-2018, 03:04 PM
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I recently had the SGC put into a PSA holder. I believe the other is still JSA. Not sure when purchased. I've been a bad record keeper. I believe I have had the Piedmont for %+ years but the other is more recent- maybe last 2 years. Anyone have bad news for me??
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Old 11-28-2018, 03:12 PM
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I recently had the SGC put into a PSA holder. I believe the other is still JSA. Not sure when purchased. I've been a bad record keeper. I believe I have had the Piedmont for %+ years but the other is more recent- maybe last 2 years. Anyone have bad news for me??
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Your bottom left corner looks worse, but the right corner crease and, more convincingly, the center crease look spot on to this card.

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Old 11-28-2018, 03:15 PM
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Your bottom left corner looks worse, but the right corner crease and, more convincingly, the center crease look spot on to this card.

Sold by sg713 on 02/22/2015

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Wow, card #7.

This is the first one I've seen with added corner wear.
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Old 11-28-2018, 03:18 PM
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Your bottom left corner looks worse, but the right corner crease and, more convincingly, the center crease look spot on to this card.

Sold by sg713 on 02/22/2015

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That's Scott, maybe he can help on the buyer.
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Old 11-28-2018, 03:24 PM
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Horrible for the hobby and this clearly reflects badly on the TPAs, but this is great detective work. Fantastic team effort in exposing this.
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Fantastic team effort in exposing this.
Yeah, wouldn't it be nice if TPGs put this much effort into authenticating?
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That's Scott, maybe he can help on the buyer.
i bought the fake Flick from Hunt 2/24/16
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Sickening.
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another try, my Crawfords, all now in PSA
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Same Buyer on the Baker. Sold by painthistorian on February 23 2015.

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Old 11-28-2018, 03:17 PM
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Scott is a board member...perhaps he can sort back through emails/records and see who the buyer was.
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Same Buyer on the Baker. Sold by painthistorian on February 23 2015.

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I have, from a reliable source, the ebay buyer's id (same as the Flick, I guess). The ebay fraud folks are interested in helping too. We will see where this goes. Also, are there any bad ones on ebay right now (does anyone know)?
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I have, from a reliable source, the ebay buyer's id (same as the Flick, I guess). The ebay fraud folks are interested in helping too. We will see where this goes. Also, are there any bad ones on ebay right now (does anyone know)?
Do you imagine the criminal(s) who pulled this fraud are reading these threads? Do you suppose they are sleeping well tonight?
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Do you imagine the criminal(s) who pulled this fraud are reading these threads? Do you suppose they are sleeping well tonight?
I certainly hope they aren't and I hope they rot in hell.
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Do you imagine the criminal(s) who pulled this fraud are reading these threads? Do you suppose they are sleeping well tonight?
It might even be possible that the actual forger is inputting his opinion into these threads.
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Default Fake T206 Signed Parent Sullivan Rhoades Livingston Baker Flick Zimerman Conroy Doyle
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I have, from a reliable source, the ebay buyer's id (same as the Flick, I guess). The ebay fraud folks are interested in helping too. We will see where this goes. Also, are there any bad ones on ebay right now (does anyone know)?


See Post 262 for six current eBay listings. From what I’ve seen, at least a couple look suspect and one seller had three listings. Better scans below...




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I have, from a reliable source, the ebay buyer's id (same as the Flick, I guess). The ebay fraud folks are interested in helping too. We will see where this goes. Also, are there any bad ones on ebay right now (does anyone know)?
Leon, this is big. His feedback history likely contains his entire forgery portfolio. It could be 100 cards or more. All we need to do it look through each one on Cardtarget and Worthpoint by the title and seller ID, and then look to see if any signed versions surfaced 9 months later at auctions. This can blow the case wide open!
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Old 11-29-2018, 04:08 PM
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Have we found any irregularities about these four, which were found in a Steiner auction (of all places)? I know there have been individual postings about some or all of these. All it would take to add Steiner into the mix would be finding one of these to be fraudulent. It would also give us a New York nexus, and I happen to live here and would be happy to spend some time with the local law enforcement folks.

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https://auction.steinersports.com/19...lot104527.aspx

https://auction.steinersports.com/19...lot104524.aspx

https://auction.steinersports.com/19...lot104525.aspx

https://auction.steinersports.com/19...lot104526.aspx
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I am sure this goes well beyond T206’s. I was planning to bid on a few in the upcoming Memory Lane auction and of course now won’t even consider it.
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