Wen is enough PSA Shame on you!!!

hcv123 · #1 07-30-2018, 07:22 PM

I can't even get back into all the stories of read as well as a handful I experienced - last post hit it on the head. As long as they have the registry and people interested in competing on it - they will get away with poor service.

JollyElm · #2 07-31-2018, 06:06 AM

Speaking of the registry, you know what's funny? There's a member here (I assume it's him because the name is an exact match) who is a part of a certain master set registry and it says his set is 100% complete. However, and this is a big freakin' HOWEVER, the only reason his set is 'complete' is because he has a rare card that PSA mislabeled as the variation (The reason I know this is because I saw it on ebay awhile back and laughed that PSA really messed that one up. I then downloaded the auction image to keep it on file. It's sad, but I knew someone was going to buy it cheaply and use it for nefarious reasons.) when it is, in fact, the normal version of the card. It's graded a 9 and is (WRONGLY!!!) a pop of 1, the highest graded version of the card. Not only that, when you look at his set and click the image of said card, he friggin' blatantly photoshopped the image to try to make it appear like the variation. It's laughable!! (And yes, the serial numbers of the two cards mentioned here are the same.) Just a complete lack of integrity.

Is there a person at PSA who is in charge of maintaining the registries? Man, I'd love to drop him or her a note.

vintagetoppsguy · #3 07-31-2018, 06:48 AM

You answered your own question with your first statement..."We hear it all the time..." If you hear it all the time, why do you continue to submit to them?

Leon · #4 07-31-2018, 08:53 AM

Now that is amusing.

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Originally Posted by JollyElm

Speaking of the registry, you know what's funny? There's a member here (I assume it's him because the name is an exact match) who is a part of a certain master set registry and it says his set is 100% complete. However, and this is a big freakin' HOWEVER, the only reason his set is 'complete' is because he has a rare card that PSA mislabeled as the variation (The reason I know this is because I saw it on ebay awhile back and laughed that PSA really messed that one up. I then downloaded the auction image to keep it on file. It's sad, but I knew someone was going to buy it cheaply and use it for nefarious reasons.) when it is, in fact, the normal version of the card. It's graded a 9 and is (WRONGLY!!!) a pop of 1, the highest graded version of the card. Not only that, when you look at his set and click the image of said card, he friggin' blatantly photoshopped the image to try to make it appear like the variation. It's laughable!! (And yes, the serial numbers of the two cards mentioned here are the same.) Just a complete lack of integrity.

Is there a person at PSA who is in charge of maintaining the registries? Man, I'd love to drop him or her a note.

swarmee · #5 07-31-2018, 09:43 AM

setregistry@collectors.com is the email. They will probably forward it to their identification team and may make the owner send the card back for proof.
They're not exactly hiding... https://www.psacard.com/PSASetRegistry/news

JollyElm · #6 07-31-2018, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

setregistry@collectors.com is the email. They will probably forward it to their identification team and may make the owner send the card back for proof.
They're not exactly hiding... https://www.psacard.com/PSASetRegistry/news

Snideness aside, thanks for the link. Ha ha. I've never even thought of venturing into the area of set registries, so I had no clue if there was a way for a random person to bring up an issue. I sent them a message today and they got back to me very quickly, asking me to send the evidence to them, so they can investigate the 'matter.'

Johnny630 · #7 08-01-2018, 08:04 AM

IMO Graded Cards Will continue to go down with this booming economy.
The Best time to sell your graded cards for a profit was 2015- early 16. Those cycles come and go. I�m holding mine for the next crazy run. It will come just have to be patient.

Paul S · #8 08-01-2018, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JollyElm

Snideness aside, thanks for the link. Ha ha. I've never even thought of venturing into the area of set registries, so I had no clue if there was a way for a random person to bring up an issue. I sent them a message today and they got back to me very quickly, asking me to send the evidence to them, so they can investigate the 'matter.'

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One dude and five hot chicks. He's a Pop 1! Lots of investigation goin' on there

jchcollins · #9 07-31-2018, 09:43 AM

I have to say, the more I have read recently about both PSA's poor customer service AND their continued occasional propensity to totally flub the grading - I'm wondering how long they will continue to be the industry leader. Surely someone can do it better? The registry I get but pop report is already kind of a joke considering how many cards are routinely busted out and resubmitted. My main beef is the consistency of grading over time. I'm over the fact that I knew a long time ago that anyone who learned how to properly grade in the 1980's and who is lenient with certain types of tolerances is probably WAYYYY more qualified than whoever actually sits in grading rooms at PSA these days, but the fact that over time - particularly with mid-grade PSA 3-6 range cards - what they slabbed 15 years ago vs. in 2017 is not consistent. There are 1950's cards in PSA 5 slabs from 2002 that would be doing good to get 3's today. That defeats the whole point of professional grading...

At some point I think the insanity will stop and people will really realize that eye appeal along with hard facts about technical grading (i.e. there is no disputing this card is creased, that card has a dinged corner, etc...) will lead to a change in how grading works. For me at least right now, I think SGC is way more consistent and much easier to deal with.

irv · #10 07-31-2018, 09:46 AM

I know many defend PSA, and I get that, but the things I have seen in my relatively short time here on Net54 is enough for me to think I'll likely never send anything into PSA to get graded.

Ex, many grades that don't make sense, card corner reset/glued down and placed back in its original holder, Dimaggio tape stain/doctored card, swimming coach graded as if he were Ruth, the Honus Wagner card, etc, etc.

I get it that mistakes happen and I get how busy they likely are, but when people are spending huge amounts of money on grading, these types of things shouldn't be happening, imo.

jchcollins · #11 07-31-2018, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by irv

I know many defend PSA, and I get that, but the things I have seen in my relatively short time here on Net54 is enough for me to think I'll likely never send anything into PSA to get graded.

I have never sent anything in personally, because that would likely be the last thing to cause me to totally lose my mind on raw cards that I have owned for a long time, and know every single detail of the flaws they have already. I buy PSA vintage online mainly for a point of reference with the grade and my price point, and to ensure that - figuring most times they are at least going to be in the right ballpark - a card doesn't have a hidden crease, or some other drastic flaw which is hard to spot that might lead to an otherwise 7 card grading a 3 or 4. I collect cards like that for eye-appeal over price, but don't want to pay ridiculous prices. For at least that much, I think TPG's are on the whole reputable. But yes, the consistency issues that PSA has across the board - would be very troublesome I would think for hardcore collectors.

Peter_Spaeth · #12 07-31-2018, 10:43 AM

The very fact that they have long delays is proof of their success. People are submitting in record numbers. Like Yogi said, nobody goes there any more, it's too crowded. Barring an epic scandal, IMO PSA will continue to dominate the industry.

swarmee · #13 07-31-2018, 10:56 AM

PSA can get away with a bunch of errors because they fix them for free, including shipping both ways. They also have a lot more errors because their volume dwarfs that of SGC nowadays. But if you point them out, they'll hang their hat, accept blame, and get it corrected. Half the stuff that gets pointed out happened 15 years ago. All grading companies make mistakes.

jchcollins · #14 07-31-2018, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The very fact that they have long delays is proof of their success. People are submitting in record numbers. Like Yogi said, nobody goes there any more, it's too crowded. Barring an epic scandal, IMO PSA will continue to dominate the industry.

From an economic standpoint that's true. That being said, my personal opinion is that PSA is about 60% hype, 40% service. I think they are overrated for what they do. Granted the reality of the situation is that assigning hard grades in a process that by it's nature will never be anything but subjective is a tall order. The trick is convincing people you do it well. Clearly, PSA still has the majority of their customers convinced. Just not me.

ALR-bishop · #15 07-31-2018, 10:58 AM

While I do not collect graded stuff I fully get the allure and draw of the Registry to many collectors. But if the market is big enough ( do not know if it really is ) then history would indicate some well financed major competitor at some point will give it a go.

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