"1888" GOODWIN CHAMPIONS (N162) cards are actually an 1889 set

[oaks1912]

Ted and Joe, I think that you're both right...Hear me out... The previous year (1887), Gypsy Queen cigarettes were introduced to the San Francisco / Northern California market. I' have an advertisement from the September 24, 1887 CITY ARGUS (San Francisco). This FRONT PAGE ad promotes Gypsy Queen Cigarettes being "The Latest and Best" and that they contain photographs of all the leading pugilists, baseball players and actresses. While issued as one series, modern collectors break it down into three series.... N-171 Actresses, N-174 Boxing, and N-175 Baseball.


Taking it a step further, most baseball ONLY sets (T-206, 1933 Goudey, etc ) were primarily distributed during baseball season (Early April to late September) . However this series, much like the N-162 Champions set issued a year later, contained subjects from multiple sports / activities. It wouldn't necessarily have to be issued exclusively during baseball season

Would it make sense that a multi-sport / subject set could run from September to perhaps April or May of the following year. This would address the issue of coupons have two different years on them, and the handwritten date written on Ted's example (Which obviously was not done at the factory) when a gift was presented to a family member or friend.

[tedzan]

Double post.

[ramram]

I have seen a large number of early images and I don’t think I have ever seen a salt print outside of the 1850’s/1860’s. They were a difficult process that gave way to the more economical albumens. Salt prints are quite rare and hard to find for a reason.

Rob M

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by ramram

I have seen a large number of early images and I don’t think I have ever seen a salt print outside of the 1850’s/1860’s. They were a difficult process that gave way to the more economical albumens. Salt prints are quite rare and hard to find for a reason.

Rob M

Were they really easier and more economical? I have my doubts.

Goodwin was based in New York. They could have easily sent an employee or two to retrieve a wagon load of ocean water every week, which would have been basically free.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

Were they really easier and more economical? I have my doubts.

Goodwin was based in New York. They could have easily sent an employee or two to retrieve a wagon load of ocean water every week, which would have been basically free.

I have to wonder. You came on like an expert, then I do minimal research and I find things like this:

The salt print was the dominant paper-based photographic process for producing positive prints during the period from 1839 through approximately 1860.

He made what he called "sensitive paper" for "photogenic drawing" by wetting a sheet of writing paper with a weak solution of ordinary table salt (sodium chloride), blotting and drying it, then brushing one side with a strong solution of silver nitrate.

So it was obsolete by the time the cards in question were produced AND it was nowhere near the, grab some ocean water and you're good to go process that you seem to think it was, but rather a measured solution of salt water. While that may be inexpensive it's not brainless.

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I have to wonder. You came on like an expert, then I do minimal research and I find things like this:

The salt print was the dominant paper-based photographic process for producing positive prints during the period from 1839 through approximately 1860.

He made what he called "sensitive paper" for "photogenic drawing" by wetting a sheet of writing paper with a weak solution of ordinary table salt (sodium chloride), blotting and drying it, then brushing one side with a strong solution of silver nitrate.

So it was obsolete by the time the cards in question were produced AND it was nowhere near the, grab some ocean water and you're good to go process that you seem to think it was, but rather a measured solution of salt water. While that may be inexpensive it's not brainless.

How can salt water and silver nitrate be obsolete?

It would have been perfectly fine to use salt water and silver nitrate (or very diluted albumen and salt) instead of albumen and silver nitrate.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

How can salt water and silver nitrate be obsolete?

It would have been perfectly fine to use salt water and silver nitrate (or very diluted albumen and salt) instead of albumen and silver nitrate.

Definition of obsolete
1 a : no longer in use or no longer useful

[tedzan]

Hey "Set Builder"

Thanks, for detouring this thread.....24 of the 34 posts here dwell on your freaken "salt" discussion, which is totally inconsequential to this thread's topic.

Why couldn't you have the common decency to start your own damn thread on your controversial subject matter ? ?


TED Z
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[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey "Set Builder"

Thanks, for detouring this thread.....24 of the 34 posts here dwell on your freaken "salt" discussion, which is totally inconsequential to this thread's topic.

Why couldn't you have the common decency to start your own damn thread on your controversial subject matter ? ?


TED Z
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Sorry again, Ted. They keep responding to my posts and I can't resist answering!

[ramram]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

Were they really easier and more economical? I have my doubts.

Goodwin was based in New York. They could have easily sent an employee or two to retrieve a wagon load of ocean water every week, which would have been basically free.

Dang, so every photographer in history was a fool and decided to switch over to albumen prints despite the fact that, according to you, they were a more difficult process and more expensive to make. Interesting.

Rob M

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by ramram

Dang, so every photographer in history was a fool and decided to switch over to albumen prints despite the fact that, according to you, they were a more difficult process and more expensive to make. Interesting.

Rob M

You're forgetting that these were cheap cards inserted in cigarette packs?

This is like saying that DVDs are obsolete, because we have blu-ray now.

Would you rather give away blu-rays, or DVDs for free?

[ramram]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

You're forgetting that these were cheap cards inserted in cigarette packs?

This is like saying that DVDs are obsolete, because we have blu-ray now.

Would you rather give away blu-rays, or DVDs for free?

Umm, no, more like Blu-ray compared to 8-track tapes. Old Judge cards were produced 30 years after salt prints faded away.

Rob M