"1888" GOODWIN CHAMPIONS (N162) cards are actually an 1889 set

[ramram]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

Were they really easier and more economical? I have my doubts.

Goodwin was based in New York. They could have easily sent an employee or two to retrieve a wagon load of ocean water every week, which would have been basically free.

Dang, so every photographer in history was a fool and decided to switch over to albumen prints despite the fact that, according to you, they were a more difficult process and more expensive to make. Interesting.

Rob M

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by ramram

Dang, so every photographer in history was a fool and decided to switch over to albumen prints despite the fact that, according to you, they were a more difficult process and more expensive to make. Interesting.

Rob M

You're forgetting that these were cheap cards inserted in cigarette packs?

This is like saying that DVDs are obsolete, because we have blu-ray now.

Would you rather give away blu-rays, or DVDs for free?

[ramram]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

You're forgetting that these were cheap cards inserted in cigarette packs?

This is like saying that DVDs are obsolete, because we have blu-ray now.

Would you rather give away blu-rays, or DVDs for free?

Umm, no, more like Blu-ray compared to 8-track tapes. Old Judge cards were produced 30 years after salt prints faded away.

Rob M

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by ramram

Umm, no, more like Blu-ray compared to 8-track tapes. Old Judge cards were produced 30 years after salt prints faded away.

Rob M

So you're telling me that the blurred, faded, matte OJ on the left was made exactly the same way as the albumen print on the right?

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The OJ on the left looks like a very primitive salt print to me.

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

So you're telling me that the blurred, faded, matte OJ on the left was made exactly the same way as the albumen print on the right?

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The OJ on the left looks like a very primitive salt print to me.

I can post an image where the N172 is much clearer than the N173, that is just selective analysis. The bottom line is that N173s were first generation, the N172s second generation. They are both, however, albumin prints and BTW N172s all have a glossy finish to start with. If you subject the card to enough wear and tear it will look bad. If you actually handled an Old Judge small card instead of pulling theories out of the air you would already know this. As for cost, the cards in the Old Judge packs cost more than the cigarettes. Elimination of these premium's costs was one reason for the formation of the ATC.

[tedzan]

Just giving this thread a friendly bump. Perhaps, we can continue on with the original topic intended here.
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TED Z

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[S_GERACE]

Ted,
I have a world of respect for your vast knowledge on cards, but I disagree with you on the release date of these cards. I think that the Beecher card is a key to dating the set. Beecher played varsity football for Yale from 1884-1887. It is likely that the set was produced showing the champions from the prior year (as you stated earlier). Since 1887 was Beecher’s last year, it would be unlikely that he would have been chosen for inlusion for a set to be released in 1889. I’m not saying that the cards couldn’t have been issued in 1889 as well, just that they probably issued initially in 1888. Just my two cents.