Ashamed - Topps T206 Buy Back Fraud

[Fred]

That aint the only one..... look at the Frank King T206


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-1911-T...cAAOSwO~VadVwv



https://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-P...p2047675.l2557

There's probably more... should the fact that it was soaked be disclosed or is soaking an acceptable alteration process?

[Leon]

He bought an altered card and is selling it with no mention after he cracked it out. That has to be some kind of wrongdoing. What a maroon..

The second one shown right above doesn't bother me as much as the somewhat fraudulent one where he knows it's altered and not mentioning it. A lot of the cards we own have been soaked whether we know it or not. It's not a big deal to me on that....to others it is a big deal.

[showtime]

Originally Posted by Leon

He bought an altered card and is selling it with no mention after he cracked it out. That has to be some kind of wrongdoing. What a maroon..

The second one shown right above doesn't bother me as much as the somewhat fraudulent one where he knows it's altered and not mentioning it. A lot of the cards we own have been soaked whether we know it or not. It's not a big deal to me on that....to others it is a big deal.

He is denying that this is what he is doing after I asked through ebay messaging. Not surprised. He even went as far as to say ask Leon about me. A crook is a crook.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by showtime

He is denying that this is what he is doing after I asked through ebay messaging. Not surprised. He even went as far as to say ask Leon about me. A crook is a crook.

He just keeps on cheating people and lying about it. If it was pwcc or
probstein doing the things he's done the responses would rival Franks monster thread.

[albrshbr]

He changed the post description. He now says the card is trimmed

[RedsFan1941]

stand up guy

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by albrshbr

He changed the post description. He now says the card is trimmed

That's more than I can say for some guys on the board who push trimmed cards in non-SGC, PSA, Beckett holders and claim they "just don't want to break them out because there's too much risk."

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by calvindog

That's more than I can say for some guys on the board who push trimmed cards in non-SGC, PSA, Beckett holders and claim they "just don't want to break them out because there's too much risk."

No doubt. But what about trimmed cards that do reside in PSA, SGC, and BVG holders? Does the fact that they made it into the holder of a reputable TPG absolve the seller from disclosing that the card is trimmed/tampered with?

A while back I bought a very high end t206 HOFer with a rare back from a "well respected" broker. The card sat in a BVG flip. Once I received it, in person, it looked a bit short to me. I tried to to cross it to SGC and they would not give it the minimum requested grade of 80 (6) (a down grade), so it was returned to me in the BVG flip. I brought it to several shows and many t206 old timers and some auction houses all said the same thing - "it must stay in this holder", which I took as code that the card was trimmed (none directly said it was trimmed). I grew to despise the card but I could not bring myself to try to sell it without disclosing my experiences - even though it sat plain as day in a BVG flip- which would have resulted in me taking a massive loss. So I ended up contacting the broker who did accept my offer to repurchase it for $2500 less than I bought it from him for. I was happy to take the loss and glad to be rid of that card. All that said, I could have consigned it to an eBay or smaller auction house or sold it myself and merely advertised it as a BVG graded card.... Would that have been wrong? Caveat emptor?

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by showtime

He is denying that this is what he is doing after I asked through ebay messaging. Not surprised. He even went as far as to say ask Leon about me. A crook is a crook.

Sorry I don't catch your last name. Any chance you could throw that up there

[Leon]

Originally Posted by showtime

He is denying that this is what he is doing after I asked through ebay messaging. Not surprised. He even went as far as to say ask Leon about me. A crook is a crook.

You are welcome to call him, or anyone, a crook but your full name needs to be in your post per the rules. thanks