Joe Doyle N.Y. NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"......PART 2

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by steve B

That's pretty interesting.


Food for thought, we'd know more if we could get a population on the ones showing a partial repair. Not much more since we don't know how many positions had the partial repair, but a bit more.

Steve I ran a Net54 survey on the Joe Doyle printer's mark some years ago. The "poor man's" Joe Doyle error card (as I have coined it) appears approx. 7 % of the sampled cards.
Sample size was approx. 200+ cards......I think. I'll try and find this thread and post it here.


TED Z

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[steve B]

That's good enough for me, 7% is consistent with one position on a sheet roughly 14 cards tall. (12 is only around 8%, so a pretty wide range of other sizes work too.) So it makes sense if they missed a bit on one location while doing the repair.

[Bpm0014]

The repair done on the Doyle from all indications was simply stoning off the unwanted "Natl". I think the cards showing remnants of the N are solid evidence of that being done.

Is there a premium on these cards? I have a Doyle with a pretty neat portion of the NY Nat'l. Actually just a piece of the first N. But really neat....

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by steve B

That's good enough for me, 7% is consistent with one position on a sheet roughly 14 cards tall. (12 is only around 8%, so a pretty wide range of other sizes work too.) So it makes sense if they missed a bit on one location while doing the repair.

Hey Steve

My records indicate 16 cards of Joe Doyle with printer's mark from a survey of 204 samples.....resulting in 7.9 %.



............................................l..... .................................................. ..............…....l Printer's Mark




TED Z

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[Jantz]

Ted,

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Doyle Nat'L (on the left) that you posted a fake?

Jantz

[tedzan]

Hi Jantz

You are correct, it is a re-print. I'm searching to find my scan of the real Doyle Nat'L card I had in Photobucket.
But, as you know Photobucket is now useless. So, for comparison's sake I posted this one.
When I find my real Joe Doyle scan, I will replace this reprint.

Anyhow, for now it serves the purpose of this display.


TED Z

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[tedzan]

OK Jantz....I found my scan of the real Joe Doyle Nat'L card, and I have replaced the re-printed one in the above post.


TED Z

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[tedzan]

The Joe Doyle N. Y. Nat'l card was printed ONLY with the PIEDMONT 350 back. American Lithographic (ALC) caught their mistake very quickly on the Joe Doyle card's
caption (Doyle was a pitcher for the NY Highlanders), and removed the "Nat'L" lettering. The initial press runs on the T206 backs usually being PIEDMONT 350.
Notwithstanding ALC's quick caption correction.....several Joe Doyle error cards were shipped to Factory #25 in Virginia. How many were inserted into PIEDMONT packs
we will never know. To date, exactly 9 of these Joe Doyle error cards have been confirmed **.
Furthermore, my research has revealed that 2 (perhaps a 3rd) of the 9 known Doyle N. Y. Nat'L cards have been discovered in original collections which have emanated
from the greater Atlanta area.

The Georgia connection with the Joe Doyle error card and the Elite 11 cards may be just a coincidence. Or, may be real as my original theory proposes here in Post #1.





POP Report data (for whatever it's worth, as I'm sure there are some crossed-over cards in these tallies). Note the close comparison to the known Doyle error cards.

Elite 11 ..............SGC + PSA......Ungraded (mine)

Dahlen (Boston)........... 4 ................. 2

Ewing......................... 9 ................. 2

Ganley....................... 15 ................ 1

Tom Jones.................. 11 ................ 1

Karger........................ 11 ................ 1

Lindaman.................... 9 .................. 1

Lundgren (Cubs)......... 13 .................. 2

Mullin.......................... 1 .................. 4

Schaefer (Detroit)......... 7 .................. 1

Al Shaw...................... 10 ................. 1

Spencer....................... 4 .................. 0



** Note....a number of "fake" Doyle error cards have surfaced since the late 1980's. Some of these were even graded. The most notorious one with a POLAR BEAR back.



TED Z

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey Steve

My records indicate 16 cards of Joe Doyle with printer's mark from a survey of 204 samples.....resulting in 7.9 %.



.............................................^.... .................................................. .........................^ Printer's Mark




TED Z

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Hi Brendan

Depicted here is my "poor man's" Joe Doyle error card. All 16 of these Doyle's that I have seen with this Printer's Mark look exactly like this one.
So, I'm curious if your card is similar to this one, or does your card show more of the lower left of the "N" ?

Anyhow, that tiny remnant mark is approx. 1/70th of the Nat'L lettering. So, given a typical value of 70,000 for a real Joe Doyle error card, then
pro-rating this Mark's influence on this Joe Doyle card results in a value of approx. 1000


TED Z

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[Bpm0014]

Thanks fellas! I'll send a scan as soon as I get home. It's definitely noticeable...

[Bpm0014]

Pic 1 (on right)

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Pic 2