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Old 09-08-2007, 04:11 PM
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

As rare as the T206 Joe Doyle NAT'L card is.....there are 11 other Subjects in the T206 issue that are just as rare.

So, what do these 11 very rare T206's have in common with the Joe Doyle error ? They all have PIEDMONT 350 backs.

These 150/350 subjects....as 150 cards....are not tough to find (except for Lundgren-Cubs); but, as 350 cards, they
are virtually impossible to find. After years of sampling 1000's of these 11 Subjects, I have found only 1 or 2 cards of
each with the PIEDMONT 350 back. And, it is significant to note that none have been found with Sweet Caporal 350
or Sovereign 350 backs.






Is this simply a coincidence that these 12 cards are extremely rare and exist with PIEDMONT 350 backs ? I do not
think so.....my speculation is that the Joe Doyle (NAT'L) and these 11 cards were on the same sheet.....And, that
when Quality Control quickly discovered the Joe Doyle error, American Lithograph discarded virtually all of the re-
maining sheets. Thereby, also rendering these 11 cards to become ASP (abreviated-short-prints).

These 11 cards with PIEDMONT 350 backs should command a substantial premium in the hobby......

Conroy (fielding)
Dahlen (Boston)
Ewing
Ganley
Tom Jones
Karger
Lindaman
Lundgren (Cubs)
Mullin (throwing)
Pastorius
Schulte (front view)....No PIEDMONT 350 has been confirmed....may be a 150-only card ?


Incidently, these 11 are also found with HINDU or El Principe de Gales....but, are seldom seen.

Anyhow, if any Net54er's have any of these 11 cards with Piedmont 350....Sovereign 350....Sweet Caporal 350 backs,
please respond....your inputs will be greatly appreciated ?





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Posted By: Drew

Ted
Here are my cousins.

Conroy P150 (2)
Dahlen Sov 150 SC150 P150
Ewing P150 (2)
Ganley SC150 P150
Jones SC150 P150 Hindu
Karger SC150 P150
Lindaman SC150 P150
Lundgren P150 (2)
Mullin P350 EPDG
Pastorius SC150 P150
Schulte P150 (2)


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Posted By: Mike (18colt)

Only 150s for me.

Notable, though, is that I have a Dahlen, Boston with a Hindu back. Any idea how "rarely" seen this card is with this back?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks for your inputs.

Brown HINDU backs on these 11 cards are tough....and so are El Principe de Gales backs.

However, neither of these backs approach the scarcity of the Piedmont 350 back on these 11 cards. It
took me several years of scanning approximately 2000 cards of these 11 Subjects to find 7 of them with
Piedmont 350 backs.

I'm still missing....Conroy....Tom Jones....Karger....Schulte

And, I am skeptical that Schulte was ever printed with a Piedmont 350 back.


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Posted By: John

Ted,

Here are a few of mine, I have Ewing and Karger I believe in 350, I’ll look for scans didn’t always scan front and back on them all. But my checklist says I have them, I remember seeing Jones somewhere eBay etc. after an auction ended.

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Posted By: Ralph

Great post & very informative.Thanks Ted for sharing this as it all makes sense.As I said in another post the Doyle Printing dot should be considered part of the doyle boo-boo card & should command a higher value.Does the dot card lower the value of the Doyle error card?That's the question I ask but before I answer I'll need to give it more thought.Just my 2 cents

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

JOHN W

The Tom Jones (Piedmont 350), that I believe you are referring to was on ebay about 1 1/2 years ago and Brian Weisner won it.
I have not seen one since.

Thanks for showing your Lindy's....I think I have all the possible Lindaman backs.....




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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

RALPH

You bring up two very interesting points regarding the Joe Doyle cards (NAT"L and Printer's Mark version).

I cannot answer this, as I am just a collector who enjoys these cards, and loves to do research on them,
and sometimes will share this research with others.

Some "biggies" in the hobby would be better able to answer your questions regarding the impact on the
$$$$ value of these cards.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

While you looking for your Ewing and Karger, see if you have a Lundgren (Cubs) with a Piedmont 350 back ?
Lundgren is tough enough with it's normal P 150 back....and, extremely rare with a P 350 or an EPDG back.

Here's my Lundgren cards......




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I have Karger with a Piedmont 350 back

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