Let's see some uncut sheets....any sheet from 1887 - 1967

Rich Klein · #1 11-19-2017, 05:13 PM

'64 Topps Giants, debunking the myth of short prints that was already pretty obvious to anyone that collected this set from vending packs

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I just want to point out that the 7 "Short Prints" are all in a row on the left side of this sheet and I wonder, as with many other Topps issues of that time is there a 2nd sheet which would confirm the long-held suspicions of those 7 short prints.

I will also state as a collector/dealer who worked on those sets, those 7 cards tended to show up on most want lists and were far easier to sell.

Also -- I know someone in the DFW area who accumulated a couple hundred (I did not count) of the Mantle and I would certainly call Mantle a Double or even a Triple Print

Rich

Griffins · #2 11-28-2017, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

'64 Topps Giants, debunking the myth of short prints that was already pretty obvious to anyone that collected this set from vending packs

I just want to point out that the 7 "Short Prints" are all in a row on the left side of this sheet and I wonder, as with many other Topps issues of that time is there a 2nd sheet which would confirm the long-held suspicions of those 7 short prints.

I will also state as a collector/dealer who worked on those sets, those 7 cards tended to show up on most want lists and were far easier to sell.

Also -- I know someone in the DFW area who accumulated a couple hundred (I did not count) of the Mantle and I would certainly call Mantle a Double or even a Triple Print

Rich[/QUOTE]

Rich-
I've seen 3 of these sheets in 20+ years of looking, and own/owned 2 of them. They were all exactly the same.
In the '70's Dodger Stadium used to sell envelopes of '64 Giants, 25 cards for a buck. We bought TONS of them, as it was the easiest way to get cards of players that had retired before my friends and I started collecting. Koufax was almost as plentiful as Mantle (and way more popular in LA) and there were tons of Stuart, Cisco, Mays, Causey, etc. When we started trading thru the mail about '73 my friends and I put together and sold complete sets, and it didn't appear any card was tougher than others. At the monthly card meeting in Garden Grove one guy always had a table stack high with them, I assume he had access to vending cases. So based on all of this and the sheets I don't believe there were short prints on that set.

FWIW when I was putting together a high grade set about 10 years ago Johnny Romano was the card that eluded me for months in PSA 9.

tedzan · #3 11-28-2017, 01:37 PM

The Michael Pressner & Co. issued this 24-card set in 1943. Three 8-card strips comprise a set which were sold in Candy stores
and 5 & 10-cent Department stores........

v................................................. .... original uncut 8-card strip (21 1/2 inches long) .................................................. ....v

Enlarged strip (split scan)

TED Z

T206 Reference
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bigfanNY · #4 07-29-2020, 06:02 PM

July 24th 1949 uncut Sheet. The Jacob Nelson Fox rookie paired with Connie Mack and the ever elusive pennents. Only other sheets I still have around are a pair of 76 topps that I display off and on.

Tao_Moko · #5 07-29-2020, 08:32 PM

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Rich Klein · #6 11-29-2017, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griffins

I just want to point out that the 7 "Short Prints" are all in a row on the left side of this sheet and I wonder, as with many other Topps issues of that time is there a 2nd sheet which would confirm the long-held suspicions of those 7 short prints.

I will also state as a collector/dealer who worked on those sets, those 7 cards tended to show up on most want lists and were far easier to sell.

Also -- I know someone in the DFW area who accumulated a couple hundred (I did not count) of the Mantle and I would certainly call Mantle a Double or even a Triple Print

Rich

Rich-
I've seen 3 of these sheets in 20+ years of looking, and own/owned 2 of them. They were all exactly the same.
In the '70's Dodger Stadium used to sell envelopes of '64 Giants, 25 cards for a buck. We bought TONS of them, as it was the easiest way to get cards of players that had retired before my friends and I started collecting. Koufax was almost as plentiful as Mantle (and way more popular in LA) and there were tons of Stuart, Cisco, Mays, Causey, etc. When we started trading thru the mail about '73 my friends and I put together and sold complete sets, and it didn't appear any card was tougher than others. At the monthly card meeting in Garden Grove one guy always had a table stack high with them, I assume he had access to vending cases. So based on all of this and the sheets I don't believe there were short prints on that set.

FWIW when I was putting together a high grade set about 10 years ago Johnny Romano was the card that eluded me for months in PSA 9.[/QUOTE]

Anthony:

I will say one thing -- a "card" scarcity can certainly be a different object than a "grading" scarcity. I'm sure there are cards which are on one level easy which do not grade well and cards which are difficult which usually grade very well.

I'm sure there is a reason for the "scarcity" of those 7 cards since that goes way back. But there is one thing I can agree with 100 percent based on that sheet and based on personal knowledge. The Mantle card is ridiculously easy on all levels in that set.

Rich

Leon · #7 11-29-2017, 10:03 AM

W572

edited to add, this one is going to auction.....

bn2cardz · #8 11-29-2017, 10:20 AM

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bn2cardz/33835758071/

tedzan · #9 11-29-2017, 07:15 PM

Partial sheet of W513 (issued 1928)

TED Z

T206 Reference
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tedzan · #10 12-02-2017, 08:12 AM

Double post.

tedzan · #11 06-25-2020, 10:38 AM

Partial 1966 East Hills sheet......

TED Z

T206 Reference
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Mark17 · #12 06-28-2020, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

I'm sure there is a reason for the "scarcity" of those 7 cards since that goes way back. But there is one thing I can agree with 100 percent based on that sheet and based on personal knowledge. The Mantle card is ridiculously easy on all levels in that set.

Rich

In the mid-1970s I broke about 8 cases of 1964 Topps Giants. I sold complete sets for $2.00, and later, $2.40, through classified ads in SCD for a couple years. I got them from a guy named Merv Williams, whom I believe had only one leg, and for some reason I think he may have lived in Mountain View, CA, but I might be confusing that location with someone else.

Merv had a bunch of old unopened stuff. My buddy Carson Ritchey once told me of a time he visited Merv, and they'd walk through stacks of unopened stuff, and Carson would pick up a box at random, and it would be 1966 Topps high number vending, or some other treasure. I had always wanted to visit Merv just to see what all he had.

Anyway, the cases I got from Merv were similar to Topps "cut" cases from the 1980s - a bunch of cards packed into one big box, with no smaller packaging. Just bulk cards. The cases of 1964 Giants had about 4,400 cards each. Every one of them had about half as many of the 7 short prints as the rest of the cards, and Mantle was the most plentiful.

Because of the short print problem, I also offered 50 different cards for $1.00 (plus 40 cents postage,) and eventually, I sold some lots of 1,000 assorted cards. There were other cards that seemed more plentiful, like Kaline, Bailey, Radatz, Billy Williams, and a few others, while several were less common but not scarce, like Ellsworth, Hinton, Romano, and Ford. So when I sold my leftovers in those 1,000 card lots, the distribution was quite poor, something like 100 Mantles and 50 each of 18 other cards.

I did find a guy through SCD who would sell me extra short prints so I could fill out more sets, and that worked great at first, but as he bumped his prices, the economics made that situation less attractive, and eventually Merv ran out of cases.

Anyway, I can attest with absolute certainty that the 8 cases (35,000 cards in unopened cases) definitely had a short print situation going on. Whether that situation existed throughout the entire run, I have no idea.

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