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11-07-2017, 08:04 PM
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 NOLAN RYAN 5,714 strikeouts (MLB record) 7 no-hitters (MLB record)- 17 K's in his best no-hit performance - (MLB record)- Photo attached 12 1-hitters (MLB record) 383 K's in a single season (MLB record) 19 K's 4x (Only player to ever strike out 18 or more 4 times) 300 K's 6 times (MLB record- tied w/ HOF Randy Johnson) 61 COMPLETE GAME SHUTOUTS! Last edited by Scott Garner; 11-07-2017 at 08:19 PM. 
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Not a reliable basis for comparison to be sure as even Pete Vukovich won more Cy Youngs than Nolan Ryan, but still wroth mentioning. Ryan was good for a very long time but never the best. Halladay was the best but for a shorter time. I'm personally of the view that it makes no sense for the HOF to overvalue longevity over dominance. There are tons of guys in the 2,000 hit club who were way better at their peak than guys in the 3,000 hit club (and other clubs) but aren't in the Hall.
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11-07-2017, 09:38 PM
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This is not a new argument, but Ryan was also the victim of playing for 2 teams that didn't score runs (Angels, Astros) for 18 years.  I know because I had to endure the indignity of being a season ticket holder with the Angels for 8 years during the 1970's and watch this play out on a daily basis... Believe me, he dominated the opposing hitters. His teammates just didn't score runs to reward him with wins the majority of time. BTW, Nolan was robbed of a Cy Young award in 1973 and 1977. Take a look again. He just happened to not play for a major market team that wasn't followed as much as others... Last edited by Scott Garner; 11-13-2017 at 07:41 PM.
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11-07-2017, 09:57 PM
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My overall point isn't to take anything away from Ryan, but more to question the logic of discounting Halladay's HOF credentials just because he didn't amass a bigger pile of stats (wins, etc) by adding a few mediocre seasons to the end of his career.
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11-07-2017, 11:01 PM
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Doc’s 7 year peak is consistent with the average HOFer. I think he will get in on the strength of 2 Cy Young awards, a perfect game and one of only two postseason no hitters. The stat padding of a few more years doesn’t matter.
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11-08-2017, 04:21 AM
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Your point about playing in Toronto is well taken. Actually, I wouldn't discount Doc Halladay's stats at all. IMHO he is a HOF'er based on the fact that he had twice as many wins as losses, 2 Cy Young's, excellent post season performer, All Star, led the league in various pitching stats etc., etc. Halliday was one of the pitchers I would always pay to watch pitch. Very sad day for baseball fans everywhere indeed.... Last edited by Scott Garner; 11-08-2017 at 01:32 PM.
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11-08-2017, 07:21 AM
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Halladay was a unique pitcher for his time and I have no doubt he will be enshrined. He led the league in complete games 5 years in a row and 7 times overall. Shutouts 3 years in a row and 4 times overall. He only played 16 years, so for nearly half of them he completed more games than anyone and for a quarter of them he shutout more games than anyone. Two Cy Youngs and two more second place finishes. What else does a guy have to do?
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