Roy hallady r.i.p

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

Um, Halladay will not get 100% of the HOF vote. If Junior and Maddux didn't, then Halladay sure won't. He had some great seasons over the course of a decade, but with only 203 wins, I'm doubtful that he'll make it in on the first ballot.

It would be tacky of me to try to profit from his death, but how about I apologize to you if I'm wrong about his first ballot election, and you apologize to me when you're wrong?

[darwinbulldog]

P.S. He was better than Nolan Ryan.

[btcarfagno]

Doc completed over 17% of the games he started. Given the times he pitched in, that's pretty amazing. Such a sad thing to hear.

Tom C

[oldjudge]

Horrible news-God rest his soul

[39special]

Very sad news.Only 40 with a wife and 2 kids.RIP

[Klrdds]

Tragic news indeed !
A fabulous pitcher who accomplished about all a pitcher could during a HOF career and he did it honorably and fairly without a hint of scandal or PEDs. In retirement he was just a regular guy who lived a normal life.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

P.S. He was better than Nolan Ryan.

In terms of peak value, yes, he was better than Ryan. In terms of career value, no.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

In terms of peak value, yes, he was better than Ryan. In terms of career value, no.

Ah, yeah. LOL

NOLAN RYAN
5,714 strikeouts (MLB record)
7 no-hitters (MLB record)- 17 K's in his best no-hit performance - (MLB record)- Photo attached
12 1-hitters (MLB record)
383 K's in a single season (MLB record)
19 K's 4x (Only player to ever strike out 18 or more 4 times)
300 K's 6 times (MLB record- tied w/ HOF Randy Johnson)
61 COMPLETE GAME SHUTOUTS!

[seanofjapan]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Ah, yeah. LOL

NOLAN RYAN
5,714 strikeouts (MLB record)
7 no-hitters (MLB record)- 17 K's in his best no-hit performance - (MLB record)- Photo attached
12 1-hitters (MLB record)
383 K's in a single season (MLB record)
19 K's 4x (Only player to ever strike out 18 or more 4 times)
300 K's 6 times (MLB record- tied w/ HOF Randy Johnson)
61 COMPLETE GAME SHUTOUTS!

Career Cy Young awards: Halladay 2, Nolan Ryan 0.

Not a reliable basis for comparison to be sure as even Pete Vukovich won more Cy Youngs than Nolan Ryan, but still wroth mentioning. Ryan was good for a very long time but never the best. Halladay was the best but for a shorter time.

I'm personally of the view that it makes no sense for the HOF to overvalue longevity over dominance. There are tons of guys in the 2,000 hit club who were way better at their peak than guys in the 3,000 hit club (and other clubs) but aren't in the Hall.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by seanofjapan

Career Cy Young awards: Halladay 2, Nolan Ryan 0.

Not a reliable basis for comparison to be sure as even Pete Vukovich won more Cy Youngs than Nolan Ryan, but still wroth mentioning. Ryan was good for a very long time but never the best. Halladay was the best but for a shorter time.

I'm personally of the view that it makes no sense for the HOF to overvalue longevity over dominance. There are tons of guys in the 2,000 hit club who were way better at their peak than guys in the 3,000 hit club (and other clubs) but aren't in the Hall.

Yawn...
This is not a new argument, but Ryan was also the victim of playing for 2 teams that didn't score runs (Angels, Astros) for 18 years.
I know because I had to endure the indignity of being a season ticket holder with the Angels for 8 years during the 1970's and watch this play out on a daily basis...
Believe me, he dominated the opposing hitters. His teammates just didn't score runs to reward him with wins the majority of time.

BTW, Nolan was robbed of a Cy Young award in 1973 and 1977.
Take a look again. He just happened to not play for a major market team that wasn't followed as much as others...

[Fred]

Punch in the gut day. So sad.

[seanofjapan]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Yawn...
This is not a new argument, but Ryan was also the victim of playing for 2 teams that didn't score runs (Angels, Astros) for 18 years.
I know because I had to endure the indignity of being a season ticket holder with the Angels for 8 years during the 1970's...

BTW, Nolan was robbed of a Cy Young award in 1973 and 1977.
Take a look again. He just happened to play for a team that wasn't followed as much as others...

I'm not sure how that is relevant to a Ryan-Halladay comparison though. Halladay spent most of his career playing for basement dwelling Blue Jays teams which had notoriously weak offenses and almost no following outside of Canada.

My overall point isn't to take anything away from Ryan, but more to question the logic of discounting Halladay's HOF credentials just because he didn't amass a bigger pile of stats (wins, etc) by adding a few mediocre seasons to the end of his career.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

It would be tacky of me to try to profit from his death, but how about I apologize to you if I'm wrong about his first ballot election, and you apologize to me when you're wrong?

Sure!

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

It would be tacky of me to try to profit from his death, but how about I apologize to you if I'm wrong about his first ballot election, and you apologize to me when you're wrong?

David, if you're still out there...