$OLD pet peeve

[rainier2004]

Well I myself did this today as I do after every sale, sorry it seems to piss people off so much.

You could always pm the seller for sale price if you were really that interested, in the end its really no one else's business.

I guess I feel different. My main complaint is how freakin rude some members are here. Some, do not feel the need to write back, let you know if they are not interested or keep up with basic communication...also had that happen today.

[ullmandds]

I agree with steve...the early bird gets the worm! I cant think of anything more annoying than being contacted after a sale by people offering more that it sold for or voicing their opinions regarding the sale price.

To me its MUCH more annoying seeing cards ridiculously overpriced on the BST bumped for year after year.

Atleast my cards are selling...which is the intended purpose of the BST...It's not called the CMT(card museum thread)after all!

[egbeachley]

Would be nice but it's the a@@holes who brag on the thread weeks later about how they flipped it and doubled their money or who say they would have paid more. Not worth the heartburn for the seller.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

Not worth the heartburn for the seller.

Why the heartburn for the seller?? They sold it for what they felt was the price they wanted to get, no?

[egbeachley]

If you sell something for $100 that maybe you purchased for $50, you go away happy. Then when someone looks through your thread weeks later and says "hey, that's the rare variation of that card and worth $2,000 easy" you feel like crap. Who needs that?

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I agree with steve...the early bird gets the worm! I cant think of anything more annoying than being contacted after a sale by people offering more that it sold for or voicing their opinions regarding the sale price.

To me its MUCH more annoying seeing cards ridiculously overpriced on the BST bumped for year after year.

Atleast my cards are selling...which is the intended purpose of the BST...It's not called the CMT(card museum thread)after all!

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes!

[jfkheat]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

To me its MUCH more annoying seeing cards ridiculously overpriced on the BST bumped for year after year.

Atleast my cards are selling...which is the intended purpose of the BST...It's not called the CMT(card museum thread)after all!

This is much more annoying than removing the price.
James

[mattjc1983]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Well I myself did this today as I do after every sale, sorry it seems to piss people off so much.



You could always pm the seller for sale price if you were really that interested, in the end its really no one else's business.



I guess I feel different. My main complaint is how freakin rude some members are here. Some, do not feel the need to write back, let you know if they are not interested or keep up with basic communication...also had that happen today.

I'm curious why you remove the asking price too. I agree the sold price isn't anyone's business besides you and the buyer, but having already posted the asking price in your original post, why do you remove it after it's sold?

I'm not one of the people pissed off by it, just asking.


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[frankbmd]

I list a card for $100.

My hobby friend , Joe Blow, with whom I have done deals with in the past and who has given me good deals, wants the card that I have listed. I am happy to oblige and gladly offer him the card for $80.

In my opinion though it is still a $100 card, so if Joe Blow does not want the card, and Dick Head, with whom I have never done business offers me $90 for the card, I will not sell it to him.

If Dick Head turns around and tries to tell me that Joe Blow bought the same card from me for $80 recently, how should I respond.

My concern with BST is the lack of anonymity of the buyers and the sellers, and at least in my case cards often sell for less than the asking price, but I do not feel obligated to reveal the selling price and my reasons why there is a discrepancy. Publishing my selling prices under my name is not a good idea, nor should it be mandated for any seller.

I cannot make as strong a case for leaving the asking prices on the listings, but these could prejudice buyers against me who think they are too high, even if they do not represent the actual selling price.

I also realize that their are buyers who almost always negotiate a sales price and buyers who always pay the asking price. Does this matter? Sure it does. Because if that original $100 card now becomes an $80 card, the non-negotiating buyer pool will be less inclined to pay the asking price of $100.

We all have different budgets, differing ideas about the value of cards and different motivations for buying certain cards. I say leave it alone. If it's not broken, don't fix it. Buyers should do their homework and buy cards for a price they can afford and are willing to pay.

I would conclude by saying that I am happy to work with many Joe Blows on this forum, but there are a few in the other group as well.

[PhillipAbbott79]

As a buyer for a card, that may potentially sell it at some point in the future, the last thing I want is someone using the sale price of the exact card I am selling(the price I paid for it) to be used as a negotiation tactic when trying to buy the card from me.

Removing the price I paid for a card is great. Gauging prices can be done in lots of other ways.

[sycks22]

I get more pissed off when people bump the thread with "Sold". Nobody needs to know that a thread from 3 weeks ago is now sold.

[RedsFan1941]

how about when a card has been on the BST, bumped a few times and doesn't sell. then you see it in eBay as an auction, where it "sells." then a few weeks later the original seller has it on the BST again. then you see it in one of the smaller auction houses, where it "sells." then, a few weeks later, the same seller has it on the BST again. that's kind of a pet peeve.

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

As a buyer for a card, that may potentially sell it at some point in the future, the last thing I want is someone using the sale price of the exact card I am selling(the price I paid for it) to be used as a negotiation tactic when trying to buy the card from me.

Removing the price I paid for a card is great. Gauging prices can be done in lots of other ways.

+1

To me, it's all about privacy. Once the transaction is complete, it's between buyer & seller. Wasn't a public auction, so the deal is considered private.

[quinnsryche]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

+1

To me, it's all about privacy. Once the transaction is complete, it's between buyer & seller. Wasn't a public auction, so the deal is considered private.

Thank God a reasonable response! I've said this a million times and no one wants to listen. Everyone just wants free information so they can price their items accordingly. Do your homework (like the rest of us) and price your items based on your research.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

+1

To me, it's all about privacy. Once the transaction is complete, it's between buyer & seller. Wasn't a public auction, so the deal is considered private.

But the listing was posted on a public forum. The original listing and asking price should remain just that. Public information. The deal that was made from that listing is obviously private.

This is about how I remember the discussion going last time. A few on both ends who don't really get the opposite point of view. And just as many in the middle who don't really care either way.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Don't be selfish and delete the prices. Keep em intact for the good of the community. Who cares if someone down the road sees what you paid for the card. Doesn't mean you have to let that figure into the negotiation when it's time to sell. And for those who just plain don't think it's their job to help educate their fellow hobbyists, well that's just selfish and not in the spirit of net54 BST

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

As a buyer for a card, that may potentially sell it at some point in the future, the last thing I want is someone using the sale price of the exact card I am selling(the price I paid for it) to be used as a negotiation tactic when trying to buy the card from me.

This. It's annoying enough when someone pulls a random sale price from somewhere in an attempt to justify their lowball offer. It's worse when they come in saying "I know you paid X for this, so you're just being greedy if you refuse my offer of X+$1.00." Just because I got something for a good price does not mean I'm obligated to sell it for that price, and I don't need anyone trying to throw a guilt trip on me for trying to turn a profit on something I picked up on the BST.

If you want to ask the seller to leave the price up when you buy something, that's fine, but it's excessive to insist all sellers should do so or that there's no excuse for deleting the price.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

This. It's annoying enough when someone pulls a random sale price from somewhere in an attempt to justify their lowball offer. It's worse when they come in saying "I know you paid X for this, so you're just being greedy if you refuse my offer of X+$1.00." Just because I got something for a good price does not mean I'm obligated to sell it for that price, and I don't need anyone trying to throw a guilt trip on me for trying to turn a profit on something I picked up on the BST.

If you want to ask the seller to leave the price up when you buy something, that's fine, but it's excessive to insist all sellers should do so or that there's no excuse for deleting the price.

So I'm curious.... You talk about not having to justify getting an item cheap, and that it doesn't mean you have to sell it at that price - which is fair...
But then you complain about someone making a "lowball offer"?
So you're saying you get items as cheap as you can, but the buyer shouldn't try as well?? With all due respect, and it's nothing personal..... A lot of dealers are delusional and quite hypocritical. You try and get items AS CHEAP AS YOU CAN as a dealer.... Why shouldn't buyers try and do the exact same thing?? ....think about it...

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I've got some crazy ideas.

1. If you think prices should be left up, then when you sell , leave yours up.

2. If you are insulted by lowball offers, you probably should find another business. Really how taxing is it to say "no thanks?"

3. If a seller is asking a museum price for something and it gets you worked up, maybe you should consider another hobby. Really, how hard is it to NOT buy something?

4. If someone is doing business in a manner you don't approve, don't do business with them. Really. No, REALLY.

5. In any of the scenarios above, resorting to calling people out, sending angry PMs, actually insulting them, or otherwise disrupting the peace of the universe is ludicrous. I don't have time to get worked up over everything I disagree with ESPECIALLY WHEN IT DOESN'T HAVE TO AFFECT ME!

Are these little pieces of cardboard (or leather or flannel or felt or silk etc...) really worth the level of aggravation some of you guys put yourselves through? If it's your hobby, isn't a hobby intended to be a relaxing enjoyable pastime? If it's your business, do you really become more successful the angrier you get? This is absolutely NOT directed at the OP, but rather at all the curmudgeons and hotheads in general who are always right.

I recently had a negotiation with a board member whose name I won't reveal without permission. We have done business before and I like him. In this latest negotiation he tried to "educate" me as to the value of my card. The two seconds it took to read the information were pretty painless so I merely responded with my absolute best price. It didn't work out. He didn't call me an asshole, I didn't call him a degenerate, and we'll probably do business again. I guess it's more fun to fly off the handle and act like there's some kind of moral high ground in a negotiation over a baseball card.

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

So I'm curious.... You talk about not having to justify getting an item cheap, and that it doesn't mean you have to sell it at that price - which is fair...
But then you complain about someone making a "lowball offer"?
So you're saying you get items as cheap as you can, but the buyer shouldn't try as well?? With all due respect, and it's nothing personal..... A lot of dealers are delusional and quite hypocritical. You try and get items AS CHEAP AS YOU CAN as a dealer.... Why shouldn't buyers try and do the exact same thing?? ....think about it...

Me personally, I don't mind the lowball offer itself. As you say, there's nothing wrong with trying to get things as cheaply as possible. It's the tactics that some collectors employ to justify what they know is a lowball offer that I find annoying.

I don't need a dissertation of what fair market value should be, a quote of a single low selling price found somewhere that I should match, or a guilt trip as to why I have the audacity to increase the price on something when I go to re-sell it.

It's fine to make a low offer, but when I don't take it, or counter with something I deem more reasonable and a message of "Best I can do," a paragraph of text in a second lowball offer (or even a follow-up message that doesn't actually include an offer) isn't going to convince me to crawl down in the gutter on my price. I'm more likely to just block that bidder and move on at that point. The buyer may take offense at that, or insist that any tactic is fair game in the name of getting the best price possible, but I simply don't have time to be messing around with someone I have already determined to have unreasonable expectations.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by mattjc1983

I'm curious why you remove the asking price too. I agree the sold price isn't anyone's business besides you and the buyer, but having already posted the asking price in your original post, why do you remove it after it's sold?

I'm not one of the people pissed off by it, just asking.


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Basically for the reasons already mentioned, its also just habit as that seems to be the way it was always done. The only person I owe anything to at that point is the buyer, removing the price also removes irritating the buyer in any way. I would rather make my buyers happy than irritated, return business is the best business.

[mattjc1983]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Basically for the reasons already mentioned, its also just habit as that seems to be the way it was always done. The only person I owe anything to at that point is the buyer, removing the price also removes irritating the buyer in any way. I would rather make my buyers happy than irritated, return business is the best business.

Fair enough


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[Bicem]

Agreed with the people who said it was no one's business other than the buyer and seller. Didn't know it was my job to educate the community about prices.

Happy to share info about cards and their history but you're on your own when it comes to prices. Too much emphasis already placed on "values" especially with all the dumb money that has entered the hobby over the past few years.

[uniship]

Whatever AJ Johnson says I agree with.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by uniship

Whatever AJ Johnson says I will blindly agree with. If you want to sell your cards on a public website for the love of God have the decency and basic self respect to allow the public community to see what it sold for . Thanks for listening.

I hope this is sarcasm

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by uniship

Whatever AJ Johnson says I will blindly agree with. If you want to sell your cards on a public website for the love of God have the decency and basic self respect to allow the public community to see what it sold for .dont be scaredy cats. Be men. Live while you can. Stand by your sold prices and don't be little girlie men. Thanks for listening.

Blindly Agreeing wit anyone on Any Website
Has NothiN ta do wit the "Love of God..."
Decency and Respect oN a Public Website?
Where ya From, Jupiter?

And Jupiter iS No Longer a Planet!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Bicem

Agreed with the people who said it was no one's business other than the buyer and seller. Didn't know it was my job to educate the community about prices.

Happy to share info about cards and their history but you're on your own when it comes to prices. Too much emphasis already placed on "values" especially with all the dumb money that has entered the hobby over the past few years.

YES...this too!!!!!! Too many people looking for a magic formula or instant pricing on all permutations of cards...do some work!!!!!!

[LEHR]

Originally Posted by Bicem

Agreed with the people who said it was no one's business other than the buyer and seller. Didn't know it was my job to educate the community about prices.

Happy to share info about cards and their history but you're on your own when it comes to prices. Too much emphasis already placed on "values" especially with all the dumb money that has entered the hobby over the past few years.

^This!^

When I sell I always delete my asking price and mark the item sold. If I ask $100 for a card it's really no one's business if I end up selling it for $10 or $1k. This is a hobby to me, not a business; and while I'll talk cards with anyone all day long it's not my job to educate anyone.

[irv]

I'll admit, I hate seeing the asking price removed but only if I didn't have the opportunity to see it due to work or whatever.

I also understand, even though I haven't sold anything on here, that if a buyer wants the listing/asking price removed, then that's a no brainer, imo, removed it shall be.

[bigfish]

Originally Posted by Bicem

Agreed with the people who said it was no one's business other than the buyer and seller. Didn't know it was my job to educate the community about prices.

Happy to share info about cards and their history but you're on your own when it comes to prices. Too much emphasis already placed on "values" especially with all the dumb money that has entered the hobby over the past few years.

This pretty much sums it up