Maybe the 52 Topps Highs did get dumped?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Steven,

I thought the ink used on '52 high number cards was water soluble. If so there wouldn't be much left of the images even if the cardboard did survive. Hypothetically, might lead to some interesting ghost images on the backs of cards.....


Z

If it was, then the series would have to have been printed by some other method than offset lithography. I only have one high number, but didn't see any indication that it was different in any way from a regular 52 Topps.

The process works by having plates that will absorb moisture from water treated so there are areas that repel water that the oil based ink can stick to. So water soluble ink wouldn't work well at all. The new vegetable oil based inks may be water soluble, but at the time they either didn't exist or would have been really unusual.

Steve B

[irv]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I am sure some of the older crowd remembers the 50s and 60s quite well. I can't fathom in any way why in a time that many homes had incinerators as commonly as ovens that a company would waste the time barging paper product out to sea for dumping.

I do not doubt that they could have been destroyed but I think the dumping story was another of Sy's tall tales because it sounded neat. If there was such a pile he could not move, incinerating would have cost near nothing at the time.

At the 8:00 minute mark the interviewer asks him about not trusting the incinerator. Imo, the interviewer, based on his tone, also finds this hard to digest but with the obvious edits throughout, who knows what is going on?

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

No I am not saying that Irv. I was not sure of the answer.

Z

Sorry, Zach, if it came across like that? I wasn't insinuating you were. I had just never heard that before and was wondering if you heard something different about the first few series?

[Zach Wheat]

Irv, sorry was travelling. I hate it when work gets in the way of fun. I am not stating the series were printed the same. My experience comes from a 19512 Topps high number card that I smudged the ink and then I realized the card had gotten a drop of water spilled on it.

I will see if I can find the card and scan it.....

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Irv, sorry was travelling. I hate it when work gets in the way of fun. I am not stating the series were printed the same. My experience comes from a 19512 Topps high number card that I smudged the ink and then I realized the card had gotten a drop of water spilled on it.

I will see if I can find the card and scan it.....

That is weird, are you sure it is not a home made inkjet printer card? They will do that.

[toppcat]

My latest post is up on this subject (and Topps Vennies in general): http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/20...-dimaggio.html

[irv]

Originally Posted by toppcat

My latest post is up on this subject (and Topps Vennies in general): http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/20...-dimaggio.html

Good read, Dave!

Thanks for posting.

If you have time, and don't mind, I'd love to see the scans of your card that received the water droplet.

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by irv

If you have time, and don't mind, I'd love to see the scans of your card that received the water droplet.

Not mine, another poster's methinks but I'd like to see it too.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by irv

Good read, Dave!

Thanks for posting.

If you have time, and don't mind, I'd love to see the scans of your card that received the water droplet.

I am mistaken Irv.....

Z

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by toppcat

My latest post is up on this subject (and Topps Vennies in general): http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/20...-dimaggio.html

Good article.....if CCC did not get their re-supply of 52 His directly from Topps in the 1960 warehouse cleanout, where did they get their 1960 influx from? Also, where did Alan Rosen's 86 find come from....could that case(s) of 52s Hi#s come out of Topps warehouse post 1952?

Finally, could Sy's ocean dump story just be a cover, as he likely sold these 52s to CCC and did not want to promote such a large influx of these cards into the market(even in 1960) and destroy their demand?

[buymycards]

The first scan is from a page in the 1976 Sport Americana book. It looks like as far back as 1976 the hi numbers were thought of as scarce.