Issues with BBC exchange

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Pepis does not show as banned.

He does now and not all members who are banned show as banned. If there is already something in their user title area it doesn't show. He has been banned since it was seen he couldn't be trusted.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Was it ever determined that Jose sold his fake packs? If so, shame on him. If not, I don't really see where he did anything wrong.

I work for one of the largest oil and gas engineering companies in the world. My current project is the expansion of an oil production platform in the Gulf of Mexico. Our client is BP. Next week, my project will have a quality audit, the focus of which will be on me and my department. Anybody else ever have an audit at their job?

If Jose didn't sell any of his creations, then as far as I'm concerned it was a quality audit for Steve. Steve failed...over and over. Period, end of story.

But, again, if he did sell his pack creations, shame on him and thanks to Leon for giving him the boot.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Was it ever determined that Jose sold his fake packs? If so, shame on him. If not, I don't really see where he did anything wrong.

I work for one of the largest oil and gas engineering companies in the world. My current project is the expansion of an oil production platform in the Gulf of Mexico. Our client is BP. Next week, my project will have a quality audit, the focus of which will be on me and my department. Anybody else ever have an audit at their job?

If Jose didn't sell any of his creations, then as far as I'm concerned it was a quality audit for Steve. Steve failed...over and over. Period, end of story.

But, again, if he did sell his pack creations, shame on him and thanks to Leon for giving him the boot.

Unfortunately Jose was selling his fake packs. He was caught on here doing it. If you click on his name and search his posts he even admitted to it. Cant remember the card that got him caught but I remember I stuck up for him at first.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Was it ever determined that Jose sold his fake packs? If so, shame on him. If not, I don't really see where he did anything wrong.

I work for one of the largest oil and gas engineering companies in the world. My current project is the expansion of an oil production platform in the Gulf of Mexico. Our client is BP. Next week, my project will have a quality audit, the focus of which will be on me and my department. Anybody else ever have an audit at their job?

If Jose didn't sell any of his creations, then as far as I'm concerned it was a quality audit for Steve. Steve failed...over and over. Period, end of story.

But, again, if he did sell his pack creations, shame on him and thanks to Leon for giving him the boot.

Responded to wrong post by David. Will repost.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

He does now and not all members who are banned show as banned. If there is already something in their user title area it doesn't show. He has been banned since it was seen he couldn't be trusted.

A select group to be sure.

[maximus35]

Just for the record I AM IN NO WAY ACCUSING STEVE HART OF RESEALING PACKS. My concern was about getting what I truly believe were reselled packs authenticated by BBC exchange off members of ebay. I decided to buy direct from BBC exchange and experienced the same problem. I know for a fact the 89 upper deck and 83 OPC were resealed that I got off ebay. The 1982 topps football cards I got direct from BBC exchange were suspicious. I have not opened 82 topps fb packs since I was a kid. I cannot remember if there were glue on the top of every card in the pack but I find it strange every single card had glue on the top. I can scan pics for proof if some of you are skeptical. I find it odd that every single "good" card I pulled from all 3 boxes had issues (small creases, gum stuck to the back, glue on the front, and dinged corners). I can see past the dinged corners, but what explains the glue on top of every card and few cards having creases? Ive never gotten any creases in any of the commons…..just the good cards. Also, whats the explanation as to why some of the packs (about 2 per box) were not fully sealed and/or sealed like a 3yr old sealed them….unlike the other packs.

I am not saying steve reselled the boxes, but is it possible that whomever he bough them from was able to pull as fast one on him if he did not sit and examine every single pack which I doubt he had time to do.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Wax boxes are easy to manipulate. The wax you bought was probably good stuff (not resealed), but it was searched. Let me explain. Let's say you have 10 wax boxes of 1982 Topps Baseball. You open a box and 7 packs into it you pull a Ripken. You put the other 29 packs aside and move on to the second box. 19 packs into it, you pull a Ripken. You put the other 17 packs aside and move onto the third box. 11 packs into it, you pull a Ripken. You put the other packs 25 packs aside and move onto the fourth box. Well, you get the point. In the end, you have a lot of packs left over that probably do not contain a Ripken. You put those packs back in the empty boxes and wallah, you have 1982 Wax Boxes that have been searched, but not resealed. Then you ship them to Steve Hart for authentication. He authenticates them and wraps the boxes in cellophane with his logo, slaps a hologram and a label on there and sends them back to you. There, you have 1982 wax boxes with Steve Hart's approval. You sell the wax boxes and then some buyer feels all warm and fuzzy about their purchase because it has been authenticated by BBCE.

That's probably what happened to you.

[jfkheat]

How were the 89 Upper Deck packs resealed?
James

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Wax boxes are easy to manipulate. The wax you bought was probably good stuff (not resealed), but it was searched. Let me explain. Let's say you have 10 wax boxes of 1982 Topps Baseball. You open a box and 7 packs into it you pull a Ripken. You put the other 29 packs aside and move on to the second box. 19 packs into it, you pull a Ripken. You put the other 17 packs aside and move onto the third box. 11 packs into it, you pull a Ripken. You put the other packs 25 packs aside and move onto the fourth box. Well, you get the point. In the end, you have a lot of packs left over that probably do not contain a Ripken. You put those packs back in the empty boxes and wallah, you have 1982 Wax Boxes that have been searched, but not resealed. Then you ship them to Steve Hart for authentication. He authenticates them and wraps the boxes in cellophane with his logo, slaps a hologram and a label on there and sends them back to you. There, you have 1982 wax boxes with Steve Hart's approval. You sell the wax boxes and then some buyer feels all warm and fuzzy about their purchase because it has been authenticated by BBCE.

That's probably what happened to you.

Except that does not match his complaint which was that he pulled good cards but they were dinged, and some packs were not properly sealed.

[EldoEsq]

Originally Posted by maximus35

Just for the record I AM IN NO WAY ACCUSING STEVE HART OF RESEALING PACKS. My concern was about getting what I truly believe were reselled packs authenticated by BBC exchange off members of ebay. I decided to buy direct from BBC exchange and experienced the same problem. I know for a fact the 89 upper deck and 83 OPC were resealed that I got off ebay. The 1982 topps football cards I got direct from BBC exchange were suspicious. I have not opened 82 topps fb packs since I was a kid. I cannot remember if there were glue on the top of every card in the pack but I find it strange every single card had glue on the top. I can scan pics for proof if some of you are skeptical. I find it odd that every single "good" card I pulled from all 3 boxes had issues (small creases, gum stuck to the back, glue on the front, and dinged corners). I can see past the dinged corners, but what explains the glue on top of every card and few cards having creases? Ive never gotten any creases in any of the commons…..just the good cards. Also, whats the explanation as to why some of the packs (about 2 per box) were not fully sealed and/or sealed like a 3yr old sealed them….unlike the other packs.

I am not saying steve reselled the boxes, but is it possible that whomever he bough them from was able to pull as fast one on him if he did not sit and examine every single pack which I doubt he had time to do.

I wouldnt think that people who search packs and reseal put damaged stars back into them...wouldnt you rather have a damaged Griffey than a mint Ruben Sierra? Which would sell for more?

I personally opened 2 cases of Upper Deck as a 14 year old in '89. I still have every Griffey I pulled. 3 of them came with the same big crease down the middle. I sent them back to Upper Deck, and they sent me nicer copies. I opened another box about 2 years later, and sure enough, the Griffey I pulled had that same damn crease! I still have it, I'll try to take a pic later tonight.

[jfkheat]

Originally Posted by maximus35

Just for the record I AM IN NO WAY ACCUSING STEVE HART OF RESEALING PACKS. My concern was about getting what I truly believe were reselled packs authenticated by BBC exchange off members of ebay. I decided to buy direct from BBC exchange and experienced the same problem. I know for a fact the 89 upper deck and 83 OPC were resealed that I got off ebay. The 1982 topps football cards I got direct from BBC exchange were suspicious. I have not opened 82 topps fb packs since I was a kid. I cannot remember if there were glue on the top of every card in the pack but I find it strange every single card had glue on the top. I can scan pics for proof if some of you are skeptical. I find it odd that every single "good" card I pulled from all 3 boxes had issues (small creases, gum stuck to the back, glue on the front, and dinged corners). I can see past the dinged corners, but what explains the glue on top of every card and few cards having creases? Ive never gotten any creases in any of the commons…..just the good cards. Also, whats the explanation as to why some of the packs (about 2 per box) were not fully sealed and/or sealed like a 3yr old sealed them….unlike the other packs.

I am not saying steve reselled the boxes, but is it possible that whomever he bough them from was able to pull as fast one on him if he did not sit and examine every single pack which I doubt he had time to do.

Before I start, did you contact BBCE to voice your concerns before posting here, CU and whatever other message boards you posted this on? Or did you just decide to come to these various forums to bash one of the most honest and respected dealers in the hobby?

In your first message you mentioned pulling a 1983 OPC Gwynn that "had gum stuck to the back that seemed glued on." Anyone that has opened 80s packs has had this happen. I have seen packs where the gum ruined several cards in the pack. This happens because the boxes weren't stored properly and probably got too warm causing the gum to start melting. How is this Steve's fault?

To think that there are no damaged cards in 80s factory sealed packs is naive. It your original message you mentioned that in all of the 82 football packs that there was "glue over the top card in every pack." These packs were heat sealed with wax, not glue, so it is common for the last card to have wax on it. It is also common for some packs to be sealed better that others. Some may barely be sealed and may have the seal come loose.

Now, on to the 89 Upper Deck boxes. I would think it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to open and reseal these packs. Just like the 80s Topps boxes, there were damaged cards in these factory sealed packs too. The fact that you pulled two Griffey's is a good sign that there was nothing wrong with this box. Many of the 89 Upper Deck boxes had no Griffey cards.

Steve is human so he is not perfect. I'm sure there are boxes or packs that have slipped by. It is possible that you may have had bad boxes but to come here bashing Steve without talking to him first is in very poor taste.

JMO,
James

[maximus35]

Did you not read my posts? I never once accused Steve of anything. Just because he is an "honest" guy doesn't mean he cant make mistakes. The boxes I bought off eBay were more suspect to the one I got direct from BBC exchange. I know for a fact the 89 upper deck bb were resEaled. They were my favorite packs to open as a kid. The packs I got off eBay were not even sealed the same way and some very barely sealed at all. The seller was even accused of resealing packs by other members but I didn't read all the feedback before purchasing cuz his overall feedback was high. If any of you wanna pm me I will be more than happy to tell you the seller to see for yourself. I almost wanna buy another box and send a pack to each of you guys that doubt me.

I didn't make this post to ruin Steves business....but you Guys have to agree this hobby is very corrupt. Look at Bill Mastro and James Spence. I am not putting Steve in this category but am saying that sellers on eBay are tampering with boxes sealed by BBC exchange. The boxes are just shrink wrapped. It's not hard to reseal plastic. The packs of 82 topps FB have glue on them not wax. The glue is on the opposite side of the gum. So I had cards damaged by glue and with gum. I will be more than happy to send any of you guys some of the cards damaged with glue just so you can see.

Again, quit thinking I'm accusing Steve of doing any of this. I am saying he either made a mistake authenticating the packs or other people are tampering with them. Does Steve really sit and go thru every single pack in every box before authenticating them? If so what's the theory as to why every single good cArd in all 3 boxes had issues???

[Rich Klein]

I have known Steve for nearly 30 years and he and his staff are as good as they come.

However, there is even a different issue when it comes to 1989 Upper Deck packs. Because so many packs were sold, there were many unscrupulous dealers who would know how to search those packs (not in a way you would expect) and could put packs into a box without a collector having any chance for a Griffey.

Because of that, there is no way for Steve, or anyone else to know, if the packs were placed back into a box and purported to be unopened when in fact the key pull was already missing.

So. unless your 1989 box is coming from an previously unopened case, frankly anything is possible with 1989 Upper Deck and caution is urged at all times.

Rich

[jfkheat]

Rich,
The op, whatever his name is, said that the 89 Upper Deck packs were opened and resealed. He also mentioned that he pulled two Griffeys but both were damaged. I would think it would be very difficult to reseal the Upper Deck foil packs.

Whatever his name is never answered my question about contacting BBCE before posting here.

James

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by maximus35

Did you not read my posts? I never once accused Steve of anything. Just because he is an "honest" guy doesn't mean he cant make mistakes. The boxes I bought off eBay were more suspect to the one I got direct from BBC exchange. I know for a fact the 89 upper deck bb were resEaled. They were my favorite packs to open as a kid. The packs I got off eBay were not even sealed the same way and some very barely sealed at all. The seller was even accused of resealing packs by other members but I didn't read all the feedback before purchasing cuz his overall feedback was high. If any of you wanna pm me I will be more than happy to tell you the seller to see for yourself. I almost wanna buy another box and send a pack to each of you guys that doubt me.

I didn't make this post to ruin Steves business....but you Guys have to agree this hobby is very corrupt. Look at Bill Mastro and James Spence. I am not putting Steve in this category but am saying that sellers on eBay are tampering with boxes sealed by BBC exchange. The boxes are just shrink wrapped. It's not hard to reseal plastic. The packs of 82 topps FB have glue on them not wax. The glue is on the opposite side of the gum. So I had cards damaged by glue and with gum. I will be more than happy to send any of you guys some of the cards damaged with glue just so you can see.

Again, quit thinking I'm accusing Steve of doing any of this. I am saying he either made a mistake authenticating the packs or other people are tampering with them. Does Steve really sit and go thru every single pack in every box before authenticating them? If so what's the theory as to why every single good cArd in all 3 boxes had issues???

You started out by saying, "Do you guys trust BBC exchange to buy sealed boxes from? How do you know they are not rewrapping wax packs?" To me that doesn't sound like someone claiming he made an innocent mistake.

[jfkheat]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You started out by saying, "Do you guys trust BBC exchange to buy sealed boxes from? How do you know they are not rewrapping wax packs?" To me that doesn't sound like someone claiming he made an innocent mistake.

Don't forget the title of the thread, Issues with BBC exchange.
James