Hey, pennant guys

[Showdawg]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Alright Showdawg...Love to see some football pennants on here. Phenomenal Browns collection. I have several of those myself. I believe I only have one Browns pennant that you're not showing. Know anything about this one? It measures about 26 inches long. The tip is sharp but not visible in the pic. Nice shape other than missing the bottom two tassels.



Rob

WOW!!!! Ive seen that pennant, but don't have it. Any chance you'd want to sell??? Have you seen this one?

[Duluth Eskimo]

A lot of people only collect baseball and have no idea how difficult those early Browns pennants are. Early football is very difficult in general. Fantastic stuff guys.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

A lot of people only collect baseball and have no idea how difficult those early Browns pennants are. Early football is very difficult in general. Fantastic stuff guys.

Compared to early hockey... Collecting early football is a walk in the park. 😎

[Teamgluck]

Very cool Browns pennants Showdowg!

I found this pennant of Joe Lewis v Jersey Joe Walcott on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1948-Jo...kAAOSw2xRYUUFY

I was wondering if anyone wants to show early and vintage boxing pennants

[phillies]

Hi all,

Quick question, anyone has contact info for Rick Haskins the pennant dealer? Saw his booth at the NSCC back in august, but didn't get his card and he has no online presence to reach out to. Thanks!

[perezfan]

Rick actually posts here sometimes. His Red Sox Pennant collection is perhaps second-to-none. Jaw-dropping, to put it mildly.

I bet he sees this before too long, and contacts you soon!

Edit.... His screen name is "Ricardoh", if you want to try reaching out to him.

[lefty147]

Originally Posted by phillies

Hi all,

Quick question, anyone has contact info for Rick Haskins the pennant dealer? Saw his booth at the NSCC back in august, but didn't get his card and he has no online presence to reach out to. Thanks!

If he doesn't make contact with you and you still need his email send me a PM. I should have it.

[Fballguy]

Wondering if anyone has any information on this Steelers pennant? It's not particularly rare but it's curious to me because it has "Championship - American Conference" on it. The graphic is an old style and Egner's book places it in the 1950's. The Steelers were in the NFL's old American Conference from 1950-52 but never played in even a playoff game during this time. Conference's didnt have championship games back then anyway. They were just called playoffs with the championship pitting the winner from the respective conferences.

Of course, the Steelers played in many American Conference Championship games in the 70's but this pennant obviously isn't from that time period.

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[thetahat]

I am certain that this is a 70s pennant, that the book is incorrect, despite the early-looking graphic. The Ad Flag company made this, they produced baseball and football pennants through the end of the decade, often using designs from an earlier time. Still very cool!

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I am certain that this is a 70s pennant, that the book is incorrect, despite the early-looking graphic. The Ad Flag company made this, they produced baseball and football pennants through the end of the decade, often using designs from an earlier time. Still very cool!

Thanks for the reply. I suspected that as well. It's been a while since I pulled this pennant out so I may be mistaken...but I thought it was made of the soft felt used pre 1960's. This..along with the graphic...were the reasons I thought it may be from the 50's. But you're right...being from the 70's makes a lot more sense considering the wording. I'll dig it out this weekend and have a closer look.

[Duluth Eskimo]

I agree its from the 70's. Some people I know found a large group of them and were selling them at shows. It was the first time I had seen this particular style, but they are original. They had some others too, probably old vendor stock. Great looking pennant and not easy to find, but not an early pennant.

[Showdawg]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Wondering if anyone has any information on this Steelers pennant? It's not particularly rare but it's curious to me because it has "Championship - American Conference" on it. The graphic is an old style and Egner's book places it in the 1950's. The Steelers were in the NFL's old American Conference from 1950-52 but never played in even a playoff game during this time. Conference's didnt have championship games back then anyway. They were just called playoffs with the championship pitting the winner from the respective conferences.

Of course, the Steelers played in many American Conference Championship games in the 70's but this pennant obviously isn't from that time period.

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Same thing happened with Browns pennant....My guess is they weren't prepared for playoffs/championship, so they grabbed some old stock pennants and printed them up with the championship lettering

This is an old Browns pennant from the 40s.....


When the Browns won championship in 1964, that pennant reappeared as a 1964 Championship pennant


I think the same thing happened with your pennant

[thetahat]

Remember the old ads in TV Guide that asked you to sketch and submit a cartoon drawing? The "winner" would get discounted art lessons or something. Well I think that's how the Ad Flag Pennant Company hired their artists. I have some Ad Flags in my collection and they are universally just ugly-a** pennants. Look at this Brooklyn Dodgers pennant. I have to have it, I am a collector and it is Brooklyn after all. But the guy looks less like a bum and more like a sex offender. And why the huge claw-like hand? This Phillies "quaker" pennant started giving me the creeps so I took it down, I might have to bury it in the backyard before it gives me bad dreams. And what is he stepping on ... is that a base or a box of Tastykakes?

On top of the bad art, they were often poorly cut (crooked, as with scissors) and the old-style designs have confused many collectors, as evident by this discussion ... I'm guessing these weren't sold in the ballparks but instead in the parking lots or back alleys.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Remember the old ads in TV Guide that asked you to sketch and submit a cartoon drawing? The "winner" would get discounted art lessons or something. Well I think that's how the Ad Flag Pennant Company hired their artists. I have some Ad Flags in my collection and they are universally just ugly-a** pennants. Look at this Brooklyn Dodgers pennant. I have to have it, I am a collector and it is Brooklyn after all. But the guy looks less like a bum and more like a sex offender. And why the huge claw-like hand? This Phillies "quaker" pennant started giving me the creeps so I took it down, I might have to bury it in the backyard before it gives me bad dreams. And what is he stepping on ... is that a base or a box of Tastykakes?

On top of the bad art, they were often poorly cut (crooked, as with scissors) and the old-style designs have confused many collectors, as evident by this discussion ... I'm guessing these weren't sold in the ballparks but instead in the parking lots or back alleys.

Here's one that defies logic. It is unquestionably vintage and "of the era"...

The font saying "Brooklyn" and "Dodgers" is identical to Ad Flag's "Sex Offender" Bum. Same for the font saying "Da Bums". But instead of showing the creepy sex offender mascot, it has a magnificent depiction of the Willard Mullin Bum inside of Ebbets Field.

I always considered these Stadium versions to be of a higher caliber, in terms of their graphics and quality. So how could this "hybrid" pennant even exist?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Remember the old ads in TV Guide that asked you to sketch and submit a cartoon drawing? The "winner" would get discounted art lessons or something. Well I think that's how the Ad Flag Pennant Company hired their artists. I have some Ad Flags in my collection and they are universally just ugly-a** pennants.

You want ugly? I got your ugly, right here. This "artist" was rejected by Ad Flag.

[ricardoh]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Wondering if anyone has any information on this Steelers pennant? It's not particularly rare but it's curious to me because it has "Championship - American Conference" on it. The graphic is an old style and Egner's book places it in the 1950's. The Steelers were in the NFL's old American Conference from 1950-52 but never played in even a playoff game during this time. Conference's didnt have championship games back then anyway. They were just called playoffs with the championship pitting the winner from the respective conferences.

Of course, the Steelers played in many American Conference Championship games in the 70's but this pennant obviously isn't from that time period.

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After I posted this, I noticed it was mentioned already, but anyway,..

This is a pennant from the 1972 playoff game against the Dolphins.
I own both pennants; the Dolphin one is much rarer to find but has the same printing. Evidently the AdFlag company (out of Chicago at the time, now long extinct) made these with less attention to historical accruacy than to dramatic effects. Such were the times. The crackdown by the NFL and MLB on 'bootlegs' like these was making their days more and more numbered.

I would love to find any historical documentation on the AdFlag company. Anyone who has links to it from the internet, please share, anytime -

[Fballguy]

Thanks all for the responses. Great point regarding the $0.40 per pennant shipping cost.

Agreed...whatever I'd save in shipping cost would be eaten and then some buy the cost of the foam core. Guess I'll just stick to my current method of saving and re-using the cardboard from previously rec'd pennants.

But that just means I'll have to buy more pennants for my collection so I don't run out of shipping supplies.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Thanks all for the responses. Great point regarding the $0.40 per pennant shipping cost.

Agreed...whatever I'd save in shipping cost would be eaten and then some buy the cost of the foam core. Guess I'll just stick to my current method of saving and re-using the cardboard from previously rec'd pennants.

But that just means I'll have to buy more pennants for my collection so I don't run out of shipping supplies.

Hey, that's my method too!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ricardoh

i would love to find any historical documentation on the adflag company. Anyone who has links to it from the internet, please share, anytime -

+1

[Fballguy]

As I mentioned...Earlier this week I picked up 150 pennants via 15 auctions from the same seller. They sent the invoice and I paid. All seemed well. Then last night I received a message from the seller stating that due to an Ebay glitch, one of the auctions was listed twice, both ending at the same time...and of course...there were two different winners. Thus, they were refunding my payment for that lot. They provided the item number for the second listing so I checked it out and discovered I had the higher bid...and both auctions did end at the same time. So why would they give the lot to the under bidder? I've asked this question of them and so far no response. I also asked why they didn't refund some of the shipping cost (just because I was annoyed)...since they are sending me 11 fewer pennants.

This piqued my curiosity again so I started playing around with the shipping to get an idea of what the real cost would be. I assumed 30 pounds...which is probably way more than 150 pennants weighs...and 30x15x12 packaging...and via priority mail the cost would be $52. They charged me $58...close enough...however, they didn't ship priority. They shipped USPS Parcel Select, which from my googling is much cheaper...though I couldn't find pricing for it.

Anyway...Attached is the lot I'm not getting and I'm wondering what the value is on the New York Giants pennant? They're the most interesting pennants in this lot. My annoyance has started to subside, but the answer to this question may cause a relapse.

By the way...My winning bid was $26.

End of rant...

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Showdawg

WOW!!!! Ive seen that pennant, but don't have it. Any chance you'd want to sell??? Have you seen this one?

I'm not really into selling at this point particularly my harder to come by pennants...but I wouldn't be offended if you shot me an offer. My plan is to sell everything upon retirement (unfortunately still about 20 years away) and using the proceeds to travel the world as long as possible...right now I could probably cover a 7 night Western Caribbean cruise.

Just curious...do you have any other teams?

I have seen that style of pennant before but not the Browns version.

[Showdawg]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

I'm not really into selling at this point particularly my harder to come by pennants...but I wouldn't be offended if you shot me an offer. My plan is to sell everything upon retirement (unfortunately still about 20 years away) and using the proceeds to travel the world as long as possible...right now I could probably cover a 7 night Western Caribbean cruise.

Just curious...do you have any other teams?

I have seen that style of pennant before but not the Browns version.

No, I don't have any other pennants but Browns...I PMed you an offer

[Bumpus Jones]

Here's a cool find. I believe this artwork was originally created by a Sporting News Art Department staffer prior to 1953 as the Reds officially became known as the Redlegs (1953-58), but if you notice, the pennant design has been modified to read: Redlegs. Looks like TSN also licensed out their original art to entities such as sports pennant manufacturers. I welcome anyone else's opinions on the subject...

[thetahat]

Chris, that's really interesting, thank you for sharing. I have written here before about my personal affection for certain styles of 50s pennants. That Reds logo was used on Keezer pennants, many (but not all) of which were stamped on the back by the manufacturer. Keezer made pennants spanning, at least, from '53 from '65, as they made Phila A's and Houston Astros. (Have also seen Keezer STL Browns - very rare, I have a mini version - but not Boston Braves.)

The same Reds logo appears in the 1956 book "Inside Baseball for Little Leaguers" (top left) along with most others from a different pennant series that seemed to be made in the early 50s, see those form my collection (top right). I believe these date to the early 50s based on a Cubs variation that celebrates their 75th anniversary in 1951; also the fact that the Phila A's and Browns are in this "series" but not the Orioles. 12 of the 16 logos from the book appear on these pennants, with the exception of the Phillies (used Blue Jay instead), White Sox (diff sock variation), Orioles, and my very favorite; the Reds, which begs for more explanation. It's cut off a bit in my picture but see my avatar ... can someone explain the bomb to me? See bottom left for a very old Reds design (hardly a logo) from the turn of the century? which again depicts a bomb-yielding Cincinnati Red.

So yeah, this is the stuff I wonder about ... not quite "What is the meaning of life?" but it keeps me entertained ...

[thetahat]

A better view

[Bumpus Jones]

Thanks for the info Greg! The story behind some of these pennants is almost as good as the pennants themselves.