FS: 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson PSA 5 -

[calvindog]

"Post #49 - Nice job, that sums it up and should shut him up, but you know that's not possible.

Count me as another Boyn hater. He tried to low-ball me and tell me I didn't know how to price cards. I think he is definitely worthy of banishment..."

[calvindog]

Ok Jakey, I'm done here. I'll be back if you post on another of my BST threads.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

"Post #49 - Nice job, that sums it up and should shut him up, but you know that's not possible.

Count me as another Boyn hater. He tried to low-ball me and tell me I didn't know how to price cards. I think he is definitely worthy of banishment..."

Right what was the card, what was the amount being asked and who is the poster. I can make up things as well. It would be easy for someone to post something on net54 about my lowballing given ALL the many emails and pms you say you are getting and its not like people dont chime in on here...

just bought a card from peter speith and paid asking on a leaf Jackie psa 4 in the past few weeks.

I have sold many cards on here. I dont have to worry about posting something to the effect as 'no lowball offers' that was before you ever had any type of issue with me. Must of been a LOOOT of lowball offers before me. Or at least what YOU deemed as a lowball offer


I not seen one message of support for you on this thread b.t.w....

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Ok Jakey, I'm done here. I'll be back if you post on another of my BST threads.

Dont worry ill give you the same courtesy you give me here.

By the way i hadnt put anything on your b/s/t for some time (in regards to putting pricing on your cards if you dont a lowball offer) and then i guess you waited your time to start things here on this b/s/t thread. I not give you a second thought but apparently you were upset and tried to make a point here by going overboard. Also since you have been posting your comments that would make your family proud, I still havent posted anything on your b/s/t thread. Yet you keep going on my b/s/t thread. Now you seem to be worried about me posting on your threads.

You seem offended that I said on your thread awhile ago that you may want to post a price if you want to avoid lowball offers that you mentioned. For that i am called an idiot and i price cards ridiculously and you are a rich lawyer that pays millions of dollars so there cant be another side to the story. I am surprised you have the time.

[Scocs]

Can someone make this stop?!

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Scocs

Can someone make this stop?!

+1,000,000!



'it takes two to tango'

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

+1,000,000![/SIZE][/B]



'it takes two to tango'

so i guess you are not one of those secret supporters of Calvin

its my b/s/t thread...its not like i am posting my responses on someone elses....

if someone said on your own b/s/t thread that you are an idiot and claims your prices are ridiculous (even though he doesnt post prices on most of his) you would respond as well on your own b/s/t thread.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Scocs

Can someone make this stop?!

It may take someone buying it. Even then, who knows.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

so i guess you are not one of those secret supporters of Calvin

its my b/s/t thread...its not like i am posting my responses on someone elses....

if someone said on your own b/s/t thread that you are an idiot and claims your prices are ridiculous (even though he doesnt post prices on most of his) you would respond as well on your own b/s/t thread.

Oh, I'm sure I'd be tempted, but I believe I'd take the high road and use PMs to complete my competition...and not air any dirty laundry in public.

Jason and Jeff - continuing just make you look bad.

IMO - You can claim it as your thread, but you are using a shared site. I do not know Jeff (aka Calvin) either, but we can all just 'drop back seven and punt' occasionally.

You could start by not feeling like you just have to respond to this.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Oh, I'm sure I'd be tempted, but I believe I'd take the high road and use PMs to complete my competition...and not air any dirty laundry in public.

Jason and Jeff - continuing just make you look bad.

IMO - You can claim it as your thread, but you are using a shared site. I do not know Jeff (aka Calvin) either, but we can all just 'drop back seven and punt' occasionally.

You could start by not feeling like you just have to respond to this.

Eh, so you would be tempted in that situation However you just responded to me from what i wrote and i didnt call you an idiot on your b/s/t thread and try to say your card is overpriced and list sales from many years ago. The person that did this doesnt even post prices on most of his cards. Yet you still felt the need to respond on this thread and its not even your b/s/t thread where you are trying to sale a $1000+ card. So perhaps you saw and understand why i responded.

I thought you stated that both should stop. I see a lot of posts by Jeff aka Calvin on this thread yet you dont seem to point the finger on any of his posts here. I assume that he looks terrible to you Afterall hes the one posting on my b/s/t thread and going against what others are against in regards to etiquette on someones b/s/t thread. Its not even close whatever he is upset with.


People will agree that Jeffs conduct was inappropriate on a b/s/t thread (Chime in any Net54 member if i am wrong) I do think the way you wrote its a bit unfair to me if you really read everything on the thread (not like anyone really wants to do that ) What dirty laundry did i post. I have been accused of being an idiot, for ridiculous prices (from someone that we all know asks a ton and wont list prices) If he can say what he wants on my b/s/t thread then whats to stop others from impacting peoples b/s/t thread in the same negative way What is the bar on that, you can now start with calling someone an idiot and talk about pricing and now what can you do further? It appears you excuse his behavior. (Please correct me if i am wrong) I can respond on my own b/s/t thread. I think we can all agree that nothing Jeff put on my thread is appropriate. Its not like he doesnt care about people posing on his threads so he doesnt practice what he preaches.

Basically, i do think if there is a back and forth and accusations are made and someone is critical on a b/s/t card, you should give the benefit of the doubt to the person that started the listing and not the person that is the one initially stirring the pot.

I know you may be tempted to respond as well but you already did respond.

And again, if what Jeff aka Calvindog put on this thread was appropriate, lets hear ANY net54 say what he did on this thread for any b/s/t is appropriate and would be appropriate on your future b/s/t thread. Lets hear it.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig

How many more times will Leon have to reiterate the rule?

Couldn't agree more. The OP is by far the biggest offender on Net54 now. He is constantly posting in other peoples threads and should be given a time out or just banned. This was posted by another member in a BST thread because of all this crap."Lack of commentary, pricing opinions, etc. would be much appreciated." Guess what the moron OP still posted in that thread and his post like usual had nothing to do with buying the card.

[DeanH3]

"just bought a card from peter speith and paid asking on a leaf Jackie psa 4 in the past few weeks."

So you did snake that Robinson card from me when I had asked about first. Nice to know how you operate.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

"just bought a card from peter speith and paid asking on a leaf Jackie psa 4 in the past few weeks."

So you did snake that Robinson card from me when I had asked about first. Nice to know how you operate.

what a crock....why dont you tell everyone that i agreed to the price first. What did the seller tell you? He told me i agreed to his price first. Am i wrong?

If not that you are just stirring pot Nice to know how you operate. Lose out on card so say negative things to the buyer that agreed first.

Not sure what i am to blame. I noticed you didnt say you agreed to pay the price first.

Why dont you give the details. I know you wont because your argument is silly as the seller already told you that i agreed to pay before.

Man sour grapes. You just jump in with that nonsense.

So i can agree to a price before you do, and im the bad guy.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Couldn't agree more. The OP is by far the biggest offender on Net54 now. He is constantly posting in other peoples threads and should be given a time out or just banned. This was posted by another member in a BST thread because of all this crap."Lack of commentary, pricing opinions, etc. would be much appreciated." Guess what the moron OP still posted in that thread and his post like usual had nothing to do with buying the card.

eh, i am the one that has posted in the past on my listings if you check. Looks like I should of put that on this one. Maybe you are addressing Calvindog on this, not me. Calvindog has a post in that thread you are mentioning that has nothing to do with buying the card.

If you are addressing me, what was this post that was so egregious that you are mentioning in your thread. I am assuming its peter speiths listing. Saying 'nice card' isnt the same thing as saying you are an idiot and your prices are outragous among others. I know the seller in the b/s/t listing , Peter, isnt complaining at all. Not sure what your complaint is

Plus i have bought cards from him including one of his recent listings. I would think someone actually buying his cards and saying 'nice card' is better what you put here. Why dont you ask peter if he objected to it? He will say no. Here is the thread you have the BIG ISSUE with. I notice that Calvin said something there that had nothing to do with buying the card. I am not sure what your gripe is with either comment from Calvin or myself actually.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=228321

Your post here on this thread has nothing to do with buying the card btw

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

what a crock....why dont you tell everyone that i agreed to the price first. What did the seller tell you? He told me i agreed to his price first. Am i wrong?

If not that you just stirring pot Nice to know how you operate. Not sure what i am to blame. I noticeyou didnt say you agreed to pay the price first.

Why dont you give the details. I know you want because you were wrong to post it and the seller already told you that i agreed to pay before.

Man sour grapes. You just jump in with that nonsense.

Sour grapes, that's hilarious. There are plenty of '48, oops sorry, '49 leaf jackie's out there. What pissed me off is you didn't give a rats ass about me since I had inquired about it first. I guess to you all is fair in love, war and baseball cards. See if it were me, I would have told the OP that I would want the card if the first person passed. But not you....you jump to the head of the line. Enjoy the card, you obviously wanted it more than me since you were willing to sell your integrity (at least in my eyes) for it. Congrats!

And in regards to the seller. He told me he had an offer to buy immediately after he posted it. Not that you had agreed to the price first. Your "I'll take it" didn't come until 10 minutes after my PM. He never mention you at all. I suspected it was you but figured it was someone else. Guess I was right after all. Besides if you had already agreed to the price BEFORE my PM, then there was no reason for you to post "I'll take it" after my message.

Again, I'm not upset about missing out on the card. Just your lack of common courtesy. Maybe I'm the fool for thinking integrity is worth more than a baseball card.

Finally, I'm done here. I'm not getting into a pissing match with you. There will plenty of other members you'll get to do that with. What's done is done. I just know that you'll do anything to get a card you want. That's cool. I just know how you operate.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Sour grapes, that's hilarious. There are plenty of '48, oops sorry, '49 leaf jackie's out there. What pissed me off is you didn't give a rats ass about me since I had inquired about it first. I guess to you all is fair in love, war and baseball cards. See if it were me, I would have told the OP that I would want the card if the first person passed. But not you....you jump to the head of the line. Enjoy the card, you obviously wanted it more than me since you were willing to sell your integrity (at least in my eyes) for it. Congrats!

And in regards to the seller. He told me he had an offer to buy immediately after he posted it. Not that you had agreed to the price first. Your "I'll take it" didn't come until 10 minutes after my PM. He never mention you at all. I suspected it was you but figured it was someone else. Guess I was right after all. Besides if you had already agreed to the price BEFORE my PM, then there was no reason for you to post "I'll take it" after my message.

Again, I'm not upset about missing out on the card. Just your lack of common courtesy. Maybe I'm the fool for thinking integrity is worth more than a baseball card.

Finally, I'm done here. I'm not getting into a pissing match with you. There will plenty of other members you'll get to do that with. What's done is done. I just know that you'll do anything to get a card you want. That's cool. I just know how you operate.

'He told me he had an offer to buy immediately after he posted it' So why dont you practice what you preached and wait to see if i had passed. You admit right there that i contacted him first. Funny he didnt mention you until after i agreed to pay asking price.


I had no idea of your contacts with him. . I emailed him from my email off of net54 If the card is no big deal, why give it a second thought?

I posted ill take it to show that i paid listing price and to avoid anyone else making an offer since it wast listed as sold yet and that was the first time i saw your 'pm sent'. . I had already agreed with him via email earlier as he told you. Maybe you should post ill take it' if you are paying asking price.

What did you offer by the way. I assumed you offered less than asking price and then after you saw my ill take it, you told me to get in line because maybe then you offered Asking price.

I also like to post ill take it when i didnt see it listed that the card had sold. I already bought the card. I didnt know PM sent means you have wait in line by the way, even though i didnt see it when i was communicating via email and off the net54 site.

again so the card is no big deal yet you bring this up? I really dont think anyone on net54 thinks what i did was wrong at all.

You cant say get in line and offer asking price after i say 'ill take it' People usually post ill take it takes precedence over ongoing negotiations. Sorry for saying ill take it while you were trying to negotiate to get the card for less. Easy to say know you were willing to go to asking price after the card is sold.

Bottom line- I contacted him first that you admit, You are in negotiations and not offering asking price, and i pay asking price and this card doesnt matter. Am i really a bad guy for this?


I also dont see why you would put this on my b/s/t thread. The fact i paid asking on that psa 4 jackie which is above VCP that calvindog loves to cite (except for his own cards) does show the respect i have for the card and the reason i wanted to sell my 5 since i got a 4 that would be cheaper to hold

[DeanH3]

I don't know why I'm chasing the rabbit down the hole because it doesn't matter now anyway, but I was going to pay his asking price.

And, to me, you didn't need to post "I'll take it " after me because you had already agreed to buy it before me. Maybe you'd have been better off just staying silent and not creating any confusion. Don't you trust the seller to keep his word if he agrees to sell it to you? You didn't need to "announce" to the forum you bought it. Just my opinion.

And I bring it up because from my perspective it just didn't sit right with me. It had NOTHING to with the actual card itself. There will plenty of leaf robinson's to buy in the future. I know of a PSA 5 I can buy right now at asking price, but I'm not interested.

Again, what's done is done and I'm finally done.

[calvindog]

Jakey, at some point -- perhaps -- you're going to realize what I've been telling you: that you're not only the biggest idiot on Net 54 but the biggest scumbag. No matter how many people are complaining about you it's never your fault.

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

'He told me he had an offer to buy immediately after he posted it' So why dont you practice what you preached and wait to see if i had passed. You admit right there that i contacted him first. Funny he didnt mention you until after i agreed to pay asking price.


I had no idea of your contacts with him. . I emailed him from my email off of net54 If the card is no big deal, why give it a second thought?

I posted ill take it to show that i paid listing price and to avoid anyone else making an offer and that was the first time i saw your 'pm sent'. . I had already agreed with him via email earlier as he told you. Maybe you should post ill take it' if you are paying asking price.

As i said, after i bought the card i actually saw your PM when i was posting ill take it and asked him how close did you go to asking price. What did you offer by the way. I assumed you offered less than asking price and then after you saw my ill take it, you told me to get in line because maybe then you offered Asking price.

I also like to post ill take it when i didnt see it listed that the card had sold. I already bought the card. I didnt know PM sent means you have wait in line by the way, even though i didnt see it when i was communicating via email and off the net54 site.

again so the card is no big deal yet you bring this up? I really dont think anyone on net54 thinks what i did was wrong at all.

You cant say get in line and offer asking price after i say 'ill take it' People usually post ill take it takes precedence over ongoing negotiations. Sorry for saying ill take it while you were trying to negotiate to get the card for less. Easy to say know you were willing to go to asking price after the card is sold.

Bottom line- You are in negotiations and not offering asking price, and i pay asking price and this card doesnt matter. Am i really a bad guy for this?


I also dont see why you would put this on my b/s/t thread. The fact i paid asking on that psa 4 jackie which is above VCP that calvindog loves to cite (except for his own cards) does show the respect i have for the card and the reason i wanted to sell my 5 since i got a 4 that would be cheaper to hold

Holy cow....you sure added a whole lot after I was replying.

IF a seller states the first "I'll take it" supercedes all other inquiries or negotiations then by all means "go for it". But if a seller does not state that, then I would offer the common decency to the person who replied before me to get first dibs. That's just me.

Next time I will just say I'll take it because I know you're lurking out there.

Maybe I should have just started my own thread on the main board. I'll do that next time. Thanks for the advice.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

I don't know why I'm chasing the rabbit down the hole because it doesn't matter now anyway, but I was going to pay his asking price.

And, to me, you didn't need to post "I'll take it " after me because you had already agreed to buy it before me. Maybe you'd have been better off just staying silent and not creating any confusion. Don't you trust the seller to keep his word if he agrees to sell it to you? You didn't need to "announce" to the forum you bought it. Just my opinion.

And I bring it up because from my perspective it just didn't sit right with me. It had NOTHING to with the actual card itself. There will plenty of leaf robinson's to buy in the future. I know of a PSA 5 I can buy right now at asking price, but I'm not interested.

Again, what's done is done and I'm finally done.

Understood but i do believe your criticism is unfair. You are telling me to wait if i knew someone was having ongoing negotiations, which i didnt by the way. However, you learn that i already contacted him and you didnt appear to want to wait. Your basically accusing me of something that you actually tried to do. I didnt even know about your negotiations until after i bought the card.

Also if you were going to pay asking price, why didnt you just put ill take it. Why the pm sent. You seem to question what i wrote etc, but you should look at what you wrote. Its confusing to me that you were agreeing to pay asking price but took the time to say 'pm sent'

Its clear from my' ill take it' that I was willing to pay asking price (guess it wasnt a lowball offer), its not clear if you ever offered him that.

Like you said whats done is done, but i dont think anyone would agree i did anything remotely wrong. Due to the nature of this thread, i guess i am an easy target but i dont think anyone will agree with you that i did anything wrong in that transaction. I contacted him first, i offered listing price first and and for that you are critical of me.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Jakey, at some point -- perhaps -- you're going to realize what I've been telling you: that you're not only the biggest idiot on Net 54 but the biggest scumbag. No matter how many people are complaining about you it's never your fault.

ok so now i am a scumbag. I am at fault for lots of things. No one is perfect. You are getting a ton of complaints. Maybe you arent perfect There are people that think what you posted on this thread is not appropriate. I thought you said you werent going to post anymore on this thread unless i posted on your threads. Guess you couldnt hold back and it was so important for you to add that. I can call you names too but again its just baseball cards. Man you waited a whole day to post that. I guess you have been very upset.

Good post there!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Holy cow....you sure added a whole lot after I was replying.

IF a seller states the first "I'll take it" supercedes all other inquiries or negotiations then by all means "go for it". But if a seller does not state that, then I would offer the common decency to the person who replied before me to get first dibs. That's just me.

Next time I will just say I'll take it because I know you're lurking out there.

Maybe I should have just started my own thread on the main board. I'll do that next time. Thanks for the advice.

Ok, i am the one that contacted him first which you have admitted. Where was the common decency? I contacted him first and paid asking price first. Does anyone on Net54 contend i did anything wrong in this transaction.

[DeanH3]

I didn't say you contacted him first. How can I know that? Only the seller knows that. It just seems wierd that you'd "announce" your "I'll take it" 10 minutes after my PM. Also, How am I supposed to know, "l'll take it" after my PM means, "I've already contacted the seller before you and agreed to pay his asking price before you? I must have missed that in the Jake to Net54 translation guide.

My common decency is if I see someone post PM sent in a BST listing, I'll tell the seller I'm interested if the first person passes. I definitely won't go back to the thread and state, I'll take it", AFTER I have already bought it. I will let the seller inform other interested parties that the card has sold. Just me that's all.

Take all the polls you want. Everybody here can say I'm in the wrong. That's OK with me. It won't change MY mind that it didn't sit well with me.

Look, if you don't want people, like me, to continue to meddle in your BST thread. Then don't keep asking me questions. I'm good with letting this ride off into the sunset.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

I didn't say you contacted him first. How can I know that? Only the seller knows that. It just seems wierd that you'd "announce" your "I'll take it" 10 minutes after my PM. Also, How am I supposed to know, "l'll take it" after my PM means, "I've already contacted the seller before you and agreed to pay his asking price before you? I must have missed that in the Jake to Net54 translation guide.

My common decency is if I see someone post PM sent in a BST listing, I'll tell the seller I'm interested if the first person passes. I definitely won't go back to the thread and state, I'll take it", AFTER I have already bought it. Just me that's all.

Look, if you don't want people, like me, to continue to meddle in your BST thread. Then don't keep asking me questions. I'm good with letting this ride off into the sunset.

I did contact him immediately. He posted an email address, so i didnt need to say 'pm sent' or say anything on the thread. You admitted that he was contacted already on the card. So whoever that was, why didnt you have the common decency to wait which you state you would have done


It was me obviously that contacted him first. You want me to believe you were going to offer asking price but put 'pm sent'

If i can get the seller to tell you that it was me that i contacted him first (which you you seem to question) would you then agree that i did ZERO wrong

I can email him to post that if you wish but if its still not enough for you that I contacted him first then why question whether it was me if it doesnt matter.

I did check the listing after i bought the card. It was a high dollar card and i just was checking the picture again and checking the cert before issuing payment. (i told him before i would be paying within 2 hours) I noticed the listing had not been closed. So i posted ill take it. Since i already bought it i didnt think it was a big deal

If you look at it from my perspective, i think you thought you saw an easy target to criticize but i dont mess with people trying to sell their cards or on transactions. I have fun talking about almost NL no hitters are overrated ( ie Rich Hill) but all of my transactions have runs smoothly and honestly. You never seen anyone chime in on that otherwise. A lot of talk is cheap, when it comes to actually paying and delivering what i promise I dont think anyone will disagree that i am top tier.

I dont think you will argue that im pretty active on this website and that i am into jackie robinson cards. It really isnt a shocker that i jumped on the listing before you

[DeanH3]

Dude, you just don't get it.

I saw the card. I sent the seller a PM. 10 minutes later you state. "I'll take it!"

I didn't hear ANYTHING from the seller until he said someone, not you, contacted him IMMEDIATELY after he posted it. And bought it. My PM was 24 minutes after he posted the listing. So you came into the thread 30 minutes after the thread was posted and 10 minutes after my PM to announce "I'll take it" which to you really means, "I already bought the card 30 minutes ago at asking price". I'm really supposed to understand that.

To me, it meant, man I really want that card. Somebody already sent a PM so I'll yell, "I'll take it" because that means screw anybody who's interested, I yelled, I'll take it" first.

Just wanted to add - fair enough Jake. Maybe you did contact the seller first. I'm just saying your "I'll take it" response 10 later seemed suspicious. Maybe it was just a big misunderstanding. Can we just ride off into the sunset now?



Look Jake. Maybe I'm wrong here. It just didn't feel right to me. Maybe I should have just let it ride and not get involved. Like I said, it has nothing to do with the card. We can agree to disagree and let this fade away.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Dude, you just don't get it.

I saw the card. I sent the seller a PM. 10 minutes later you state. "I'll take it!"

I didn't hear ANYTHING from the seller until he said someone, not you, contacted him IMMEDIATELY after he posted it. And bought it. My PM was 24 minutes after he posted the listing. So you came into the thread 30 minutes after the thread was posted and 10 minutes after my PM to announce "I'll take it" which to you really means, "I already bought the card 30 minutes ago at asking price". I'm really supposed to understand that.

To me, it meant, man I really want that card. Somebody already sent a PM so I'll yell, "I'll take it" because that means screw anybody who's interested, I yelled, I'll take it" first.

Just wanted to add - fair enough Jake. Maybe you did contact the seller first. I'm just saying your "I'll take it" response 10 later seemed suspicious. Maybe it was just a big misunderstanding. Can we just ride off into the sunset now?



Look Jake. Maybe I'm wrong here. It just didn't feel right to me. Maybe I should have just let it ride and not get involved. Like I said, it has nothing to do with the card. We can agree to disagree and let this fade away.

right you bring this up here where you think im an easy target. You said the guy said it wasnt me? Who was it then? Or did he just not mention anyone by name. I am 100% sure it was me.

You seem to indicate that you were wrong as to the way you were critical of me if i indeed i was the first person to contact him.

Also you are confused as to my 'ill take it' but you cant see why i can be confused that you agreed to pay asking when i later saw the 'pm sent' (i already bought the card when saw that)

I like your posts and have nothing against you. You may of just wanted to pm me your concern than to jump on my b/s/t thread. Also i can email the seller if you wish to confirm I contacted him first.

In addition, if you feel that some of your posts on my b/s/t thread arent that appropriate, you have been civil in your arguments. I am ok with it but rather you did it through pm. But afterall its not like you are calvindog who uses terms like scumbag.

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right you bring this up here where you think im an easy target. You said the guy said it wasnt me? Who was it then? Or did he just not mention anyone by name. I am 100% sure it was me.

You seem to indicate that you were wrong as to the way you were critical of me if i indeed i was the first person to contact him.

Also you are confused as to my 'ill take it' but you cant see why i can be confused that you paid asking when i later saw the 'pm sent' (i already bought the card when saw that)

I like your posts and have nothing against you. You may of just wanted to pm me your concern than to jump on my b/s/t thread. Also i can email the seller if you wish to confirm it.

In addition, if you feel that some of your posts on my b/s/t thread arent that appropriate, you have been civil in your arguments. I am ok with it but rather you did it through pm. But afterall its not like you are calvindog who uses terms like scumbag.

We just can't seem to let this go can we? The seller made NO mention of who was the buyer.

I did not know you were the first person to contact him. I only saw your "I'll take it" comment 10 minutes AFTER my PM.

Huh? Not sure exactly what you mean? Why would you post "I'll take it" approx 30 minutes AFTER you bought the card. And after you saw my PM sent? If you were letting me know, hey I already bought the card, then that's not a very effective form of communication. Personally, I would have let the seller tell me the card was already sold. Can't you see where I thought you were trying to cut in line with your "I'll take it" post? How am I supposed to figure that means "I bought the card 30 minutes ago? Remember, I had NO reason to suspect you had already contacted the seller and agreed to buy the card. All I see is "I'll take it" 10 minutes after my PM

Fair enough about sending you a PM first. No need to contact the seller. It won't change anything

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

We just can't seem to let this go can we? The seller made NO mention of who was the buyer.

I did not know you were the first person to contact him. I only saw your "I'll take it" comment 10 minutes AFTER my PM.

Huh? Not sure exactly what you mean? Why would you post "I'll take it" approx 30 minutes AFTER you bought the card. And after you saw my PM sent? If you were letting me know, hey I already bought the card, then that's not a very effective form of communication. Personally, I would have let the seller tell me the card was already sold. Can't you see where I thought you were trying to cut in line with your "I'll take it" post? How am I supposed to figure that means "I bought the card 30 minutes ago? Remember, I had NO reason to suspect you had already contacted the seller and agreed to buy the card. All I see is "I'll take it" 10 minutes after my PM

Fair enough about sending you a PM first. No need to contact the seller. It won't change anything

The seller did tell me that he told you he already sold the card when i mentioned the PM sent (i was curious as to what offer was made, if any even though i already bought the card), I had received an email with payment instructions and i called him about when payment would be made etc and thats when he told me that.

I can see your initial thought process. I do think though after what i wrote you should now see i did nothing wrong. I did contact him first and i did pay him asking price first. Its one thing to say i wasnt mentioned as the first guy, and its another to say he didnt tell you who the first guy was that contacted him which you just said. Again i am 100% sure it was me.

Anyway this my last post on this this issue. You can see Calvindog already jumped on our exchange which is silly as we have no beef. Grown ups solve issues. Kids do what kids do i guess. I think you agree i didnt do anything wrong now. I also can see why you may of thought something. Information and communication are important.

[Sean]

THIS IS THE SINGLE WORST THREAD I HAVE SEEN ON THIS SITE.

[cincyredlegs]

I read through this thread (well, just skimmed really) but Sean is 100% right. Honestly guys, I felt like I was listening to my 14 and 10 year old daughters fighting.....no kidding. It is really sad grown men are acting this way. You guys have to be better than this.

Just stop it. It's clear you guys don't like each other. Trust me WE ALL GET IT. You don't need to convince us anymore....LOL.

Mark

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by cincyredlegs

I read through this thread (well, just skimmed really) but Sean is 100% right. Honestly guys, I felt like I was listening to my 14 and 10 year old daughters fighting.....no kidding. It is really sad grown me are acting this way. You guys have to be better than this.

Just stop it. It's clear you guys don't like each other. Trust me WE ALL GET IT. You don't need to convince us anymore....LOL.

Mark

I agree. I am done with his nonsense. I not posting anymore on this thread. IM sure Calvindog will continue acting like to the 14 or 10 year old daughter (i at least should be the 14 year old one, hes the 10 year one )

All i did was post a card for sale. If you read everything and not just skimmed. There was zero need to call me an idiot or argue with price or make an lowball offer I think we can agree i should be able to just post the card again for sale without comments of calling me an idiot or post any other card without Calvindog being a 10 year old namecalling. (Incidentally i did make a sale on my other listing that i had with the Hank Sauer with zero comments)

We will see if CalvinDog can refrain from posting anything. If he wants to shout some more we can bring it on his b/s/t threads which i still havent posted anything since after he became a 10 year old daughter. We can then have people tell us we are both being clowns on his b/s/t threads.

I also shouldnt of gotten in the back and forth on this thread. Sorry guys.

[Neal]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I agree. I am done with his nonsense. I not posting anymore on this thread.

I also shouldnt of gotten in the back and forth on this thread. Sorry guys.

good stuff

[DeanH3]

I too regret getting involved. I should have just kept on truckin like I usually do. Live and learn.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jake -- if you've bought a card, why do you need to announce or post anything? Just let the seller mark it as sold. And if you want people to know you won it, post it on the new acquisitions thread. It's easy enough to see why Dean was confused.

Relatedly, even if it doesn't apply here, I agree that if it's clear someone has expressed interest in a card, the appropriate communication to the seller is along the lines of let me know if X doesn't buy it.

[bobbyw8469]

This thread makes me so sad for our hobby.

[botn]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

This thread makes me so sad for our hobby.

Yeah but I feel much worse for Jake's parents or wife and kids (gasp), should he have them.

[Snapolit1]

If I were moderator I'd let nonsense like this run for a day or two and just delete it. A waste of everyone's time. Serves no purpose other than two let two guys pull each others hair out.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by botn

Yeah but I feel much worse for Jake's parents or wife and kids (gasp), should he have them.

The fact that you have no problem with what Jeff said shows you are are biased. Everyone on this thread at least appears to think it takes two to tangle but here you go with a shot at me but your 'shot' is a paper clip and a rubber band.

In addition, when you used to send me wierd pms, you stopped once i posted them, do you want me to post your pms again? I had you blocked for awhile. I could say the sky was blue and you would disagree.

Lets not pretend you are just a regular poster out of the blue. Correct me i am wrong that you believe what Jeff here was appropriate or at least dont agree that both people were in the wrong.

I have a feeling you wont answer that directly but who knows.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jake -- if you've bought a card, why do you need to announce or post anything? Just let the seller mark it as sold. And if you want people to know you won it, post it on the new acquisitions thread. It's easy enough to see why Dean was confused.

Relatedly, even if it doesn't apply here, I agree that if it's clear someone has expressed interest in a card, the appropriate communication to the seller is along the lines of let me know if X doesn't buy it.

Dean may of still been confused if i posted it as a new acquisition though at the time I said Ill take it, so i dont think that would of solved anything.


I was the first to express interest in the card. I do see why he was confused though and will go about it differently next time. I also think he will go about it differently in his frustration to just PM me instead of posting the issue on my b/s/t thread. Dean and I are good now as grown man can communicate and resolve things.

To Bobby who feels the thread is bad for the hobby: I agree, hopefully i wont get in a back and forth again with someone on my b/s/t thread. Its especially bad for the hobby considering Calvindog pays millions into the hobby and thus is a major player and takes the time for the back and forth in this unfortunate thread..

Sorry was supposed to be my last post, but Greg put that post there which was undeserved etc and then i was like what the heck and responded to your neutral post.

[botn]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

The fact that you have no problem with what Jeff said shows you are are biased. Everyone on this thread at least appears to think it takes two to tangle but here you go with a shot at me.

In addition, when you used to send me wierd pms, you stopped once i posted them, do you want me to post your pms again? I had you blocked for awhile.

Lets not pretend you are just a regular poster out of the blue. Correct me i am wrong that you believe what Jeff here was appropriate or at least dont agree that both people were in the wrong.

I have a feeling you wont answer that directly but who knows.

My PMs to you were telling you consistently what a complete idiot you are. It is against the rules to post PMs but if you want to embarrass yourself...even more, have at it, with Leon's permission.

I stopped posting on the thread you started about me because you are pathetic and your arguments make no sense. You cannot have an intelligent debate or discussion with you. Again, how on earth did you become a lawyer? This is astonishing.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by botn

My PMs to you were telling you consistently what a complete idiot you are. It is against the rules to post PMs but if you want to embarrass yourself...even more, have at it, with Leon's permission.

I stopped posting on the thread you started about me because you are pathetic and your arguments make no sense. You cannot have an intelligent debate or discussion with you. Again, how on earth did you become a lawyer? This is astonishing.

So your posts really prove you are neutral here. I had to start that thread to get you to stop sending the pms. Actions speak louder than words. You did stop sending PMS immediately after i posted your most recent pm. Thanks for giving me permission to post any new ones which I will.

Is it against the rules to post on b/s/t threads and call people idiots. Im sure you got Leons permission for that. How on earth did you become a seller of time shares this is astonishing. I always felt harassed by you guys when i went on vacation. I bet you make a fortune though. Good for you and your family.

We also now know the source of the quote that Calvindog was referencing approving his behavior on my thread. You are the one sending me the pms months ago that i had to start posting and i had to block you and your beef is with me?

Not sure why you felt the need to post here if you dont care what i say. You can start from not posting anything else .

[pokerplyr80]

I was going to stay out of this one but I would like to make a proposal. Boyton, Calvin's posts were inappropriate in the context of just thread, but were made because you tend to do the same thing in many other BST threads, including one of his recently.

Can we all agree to stop posting unwanted suggestions and comments, other than nice card, in BST threads in the future? If you agree to do this Boyton I'm pretty sure everyone else will agree to stop commenting on yours.

And to Dean, when you typed PM sent, if your PM didn't say I will take it the card is still fair game. A seller shouldn't have to hold it and a buyer shouldn't have to wait simply because you asked a question or made an offer.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I was going to stay out of this one but I would like to make a proposal. Boyton, Calvin's posts were inappropriate in the context of just thread, but were made because you tend to do the same thing in many other BST threads, including one of his recently.

Can we all agree to stop posting unwanted suggestions and comments, other than nice card, in BST threads in the future? If you agree to do this Boyton I'm pretty sure everyone else will agree to stop commenting on yours.

And to Dean, when you typed PM sent, if your PM didn't say I will take it the card is still fair game. A seller shouldn't have to hold it and a buyer shouldn't have to wait simply because you asked a question or made an offer.

I disagree. If I see that someone has expressed interest, I am going to give them a chance to make their deal. Common courtesy in a community. I would certainly contact the seller and tell them I am interested if the first person doesn't buy it, and leave it to the seller how to proceed, but I am not going to try to swoop in on a board member who got there first.

[Bestdj777]

Great card and best of luck with the sale!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I was going to stay out of this one but I would like to make a proposal. Boyton, Calvin's posts were inappropriate in the context of just thread, but were made because you tend to do the same thing in many other BST threads, including one of his recently.

Can we all agree to stop posting unwanted suggestions and comments, other than nice card, in BST threads in the future? If you agree to do this Boyton I'm pretty sure everyone else will agree to stop commenting on yours.

And to Dean, when you typed PM sent, if your PM didn't say I will take it the card is still fair game. A seller shouldn't have to hold it and a buyer shouldn't have to wait simply because you asked a question or made an offer.

I said nothing close to what Calvin said. If Calvin can say what he did here because i stated that he may want to list a price, imagine what I should be able to put now on his. He did agree that VCP should be posted on all of our listings.

As to Dean, i was also the first to contact the seller (i was there first ) as well so even the issue that Peter disagrees with you on isnt an issue in my situation.

I am going to post in the manner you suggested on all future b/s/t listings.

However from this point on any more posts by Calvin that are outside the lines of b/s/t can we agree would now be totally out of line? (rhetorical) Anyway pkrplayer we will now test your theory, I will make another FS thread. There would be zero reason now for anyone to make commentary outside of b/s/t

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I said nothing close to what Calvin said. If Calvin can say what he did here because i stated that he may want to list a price, imagine what I should be able to put now on his. He did agree that VCP should be posted on all of our listings.

As to Dean, i was also the first to contact the seller (i was there first ) as well so even the issue that Peter disagrees with you on isnt an issue in my situation.

I am going to post in the manner you suggested on all future b/s/t listings.

However from this point on any more posts by Calvin that are outside the lines of b/s/t can we agree would now be totally out of line? (rhetorical) Anyway pkrplayer we will now test your theory, I will make another FS thread. There would be zero reason now for anyone to make commentary outside of b/s/t

If you are agreeing not to post comments on BST threads at all, other than nice card, in the future then yes it would be inappropriate for others to do the same on your threads. Hopefully we can all stick to this and save the discussions and commentary for the appropriate sections of the forum.

[botn]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

So your posts really prove you are neutral here. I had to start that thread to get you to stop sending the pms. Actions speak louder than words. You did stop sending PMS immediately after i posted your most recent pm. Thanks for giving me permission to post any new ones which I will.

Is it against the rules to post on b/s/t threads and call people idiots. Im sure you got Leons permission for that. How on earth did you become a seller of time shares this is astonishing. I always felt harassed by you guys when i went on vacation. I bet you make a fortune though. Good for you and your family.

We also now know the source of the quote that Calvindog was referencing approving his behavior on my thread. You are the one sending me the pms months ago that i had to start posting and i had to block you and your beef is with me?

Not sure why you felt the need to post here if you dont care what i say. You can start from not posting anything else .

I think you should ask yourself why you feel the need to annoy and intrude on others BST posts before you start asking me anything.

I have not stopped sending you PMs and I have sent you several emails too over the last month or two since that ridiculous and pointless thread you started about me and VCP. You are a mess. Catch ya later.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by botn

I think you should ask yourself why you feel the need to annoy and intrude on others BST posts before you start asking me anything.

I have not stopped sending you PMs and I have sent you several emails too over the last month or two since that ridiculous and pointless thread you started about me and VCP. You are a mess. Catch ya later.

First of all, it was understood there would be no more posts like this on my b/s/t. Yet there you go again.

I havent gotten any of your emails. I know you stopped pming me here once i started to post them. So you just keep emailing me nonsense i assume? I can go check my junk mail i guess. Why not post them here? Id like to take a look at it. Lets see what you have been emailing me with no response. Its not like you are saying you got an email response from me on anything. Im sure if i got emailed nonsense i wouldnt respond though. I will post it though.

you said i always quote VCP prices and you are a LIAR. Calvindog did post VCP prices on this thread. Can you point to one single thread where i posted VCP prices? Zero. That thread started because you called me a liar and said everyone has said so like we discussed i made a thread on it. Pokerplr has already stated i never have quoted VCP prices in selling a card. Not sure why you want to bring up something from many months ago

Why would you continue to send me pms and emails? I really think you cross the line if you are sending me harassing emails over these months with no response. Even Calvindog hasnt emailed nor I emailed him.

You send pms and emails with zero response back but you continue to send SEVERAL emails you state. Man why not continue and send 100 more with no response and IM the mess. You seem to be acting like an ex that was dumped. You may want to let it go. You are liked a spurned lover.

I know i have never felt a need to send several emails/pms with zero response over many months. You look really bad by saying that.

Good job in staying silent and proving you dont care what i say by the way. If what i said was so pointless why would you send several emails over many months with no response.

I actually feel sorry for you.

[iowadoc77]

Hey Jake, if this is you not posting anymore, I would hate to see the opposite. Keep your word. Stop posting. Let this die. Please. Other people are trying to sell cards here.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

Hey Jake, if this is you not posting anymore, I would hate to see the opposite. Keep your word. Stop posting. Let this die. Please. Other people are trying to sell cards here.

Understood Are you directing that to the others that posted on this thread as well? I trying trying to sell a card on a b/s/t without the negative comments. Fair enough?