T206 Who should be a HOFer that isn't ???

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Topps206

The other two numbers aren't bad, but that seems like spin to me. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't seem he was given a fair shake until later.

He played 117 games before he got to the Phillies. That is more than a fair shake. He didn't play well enough to stick in the majors and was sent down. A HOFer in his prime years should have been able to stick.

The PCL may have been better than a minor league. That doesn't change the fact that he wasn't able to make the jump to the majors until being sent down for 2 years and then landing in a favorable stadium that allowed him inflate his stats. This sounds to me like a good but not great player who has no business in the HOF.

7 full years just isn't enough for a guy who struggled to make the big leagues and was average away from the Baker Bowl.

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Just curious if you were aware that Cravath was a right handed batter hitting his homeruns to right field? It takes tremendous ability to do that. Also, the original Yankee Stadium dimensions were 295 feet to right field and only 281 feet to left field. Do you discount Ruth and Gehrig's totals knowing that?

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by rats60

He played 117 games before he got to the Phillies. That is more than a fair shake. He didn't play well enough to stick in the majors and was sent down. A HOFer in his prime years should have been able to stick.

The PCL may have been better than a minor league. That doesn't change the fact that he wasn't able to make the jump to the majors until being sent down for 2 years and then landing in a favorable stadium that allowed him inflate his stats. This sounds to me like a good but not great player who has no business in the HOF.

7 full years just isn't enough for a guy who struggled to make the big leagues and was average away from the Baker Bowl.

He also had a 137 OPS+ with Boston in 94 games in 1908. He did struggle in 23 games in 1909 between two clubs, but does anyone make a Hall of Famer in their first 117 games? Of course not. So why is someone not a Hall of Famer in their first 117 games?

Very rarely do I support short career players. Cravath is a rare exception.