T206 Who should be a HOFer that isn't ???

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Topps206

I see nothing spectacular about Fielder Jones. Nice player. Nothing special.

Player Manager of the "Hitless Wonders" I know it's a bit of a stretch but I'm surprised that his name is never mentioned. Posted a 426-293 managerial record. Pretty good win%

Like Dinneen I'm for his interactions in baseball besides a player. Donie Bush?????

No love for him? Considered one of the top fielding SS's in baseball in his day over 1,800 hits.

A Manager
A Owner
A Scout
An Executive

You can't get more versatile than that can you?

[CMIZ5290]

Jimmy Sheckard? .270 career batting average with just over 2,000 hits in 17 years? Really? You were the guys busting my balls about Ed Reulbach, better re-group.....I dont get this choice at all.....

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

Player Manager of the "Hitless Wonders" I know it's a bit of a stretch but I'm surprised that his name is never mentioned. Posted a 426-293 managerial record. Pretty good win%

Like Dinneen I'm for his interactions in baseball besides a player. Donie Bush?????

No love for him? Considered one of the top fielding SS's in baseball in his day over 1,800 hits.

A Manager
A Owner
A Scout
An Executive

You can't get more versatile than that can you?

Lots of managers with more wins and more championships aren't in.

[Topps206]

So, going back to the first page of the thread, many have been listed from the T206 set potentially being HOF worthy. I'm going to split this up in different categories. These are only my opinions.

Hall of Fame worthy

Bill Dahlen - One of the best players not in the Hall of Fame from any era at any position. The VC really messed up in December. Was terrific offensively and defensively and helped his teams win four pennants in his career. His 44 game hitting streak is second only to Joe DiMaggio among right handed batters. Nobody in history played more games at the time he retired and his longevity still holds today.

Sherry Magee - 4x RBI champ, hit very well in all of those seasons. Metrics rank him well and it can be argued he's better than many leftfielders already in. He could do it all and has been erroneously overlooked.

Larry Doyle - The best second baseman in the National League during his time. He was also the best position player on the Giants during their winning of multiple pennants. One came during an MVP season in 1912 and would probably be a World Champion had it not been for Snodgrass' Muff. Just as how Sherry Magee is arguably a top 15 leftfielder ever, I think Doyle could be top 15 all time at second.

Gavvy Cravath - I get the argument against him, but he absolutely dominated during his short peak.

Bill Dinneen - As a pitcher alone he is not a Hall of Famer, but when you combine his pitching career with his umpiring career, it's hard to justify his exclusion.

Could go either way

Jimmy Sheckard - He wasn't that bad of a player and worth doing more research on. No way should he get in before Sherry Magee, but a future induction would hardly taint Cooperstown.

Not Hall of Fame worthy

Deacon Philippe - I changed my mind here
I think Reulbach was better and I wouldn't put Reulbach in. Out of those Pirate teams, only Babe Adams deserves it and he's not in the set.

Ed Reulbach - Just falls short for me.

George Mullin - Would challenge Rube Marquard for the title of the worst pitcher inducted.

Fielder Jones - Nothing stands out.

Wildfire Schulte - If one season made you a Hall of Famer, he'd have been one of the earliest inductees of an overcrowded Hall.

Chief Meyers - Good, just below ten seasons, however.

Tommy Leach - You could pretty much categorize him in the Hall of Mistakes that the Frisch Committee monopolized. Though Cuyler could stay in my personal Hall.

Johnny Kling - He could be the worst catcher in the HOF and would be one of the worst players at any position.

Hal Chase and Ed Konetchy - I would just focus on modern era first basemen, with Konetchy probably being closer to deserving.

George Gibson and Jimmy Archer - You know have no business being worthy of Hall discussion when Johnny Kling looks good by comparison.


Again, these are only my opinions. I thought I'd respond to a majority of the names listed here.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Topps206

So, going back to the first page of the thread, many have been listed from the T206 set potentially being HOF worthy. I'm going to split this up in different categories. These are only my opinions.

Hall of Fame worthy

Bill Dahlen - One of the best players not in the Hall of Fame from any era at any position. The VC really messed up in December. Was terrific offensively and defensively and helped his teams win four pennants in his career. His 44 game hitting streak is second only to Joe DiMaggio among right handed batters. Nobody in history played more games at the time he retired and his longevity still holds today.

Sherry Magee - 4x RBI champ, hit very well in all of those seasons. Metrics rank him well and it can be argued he's better than many leftfielders already in. He could do it all and has been erroneously overlooked.

Larry Doyle - The best second baseman in the National League during his time. He was also the best position player on the Giants during their winning of multiple pennants. One came during an MVP season in 1912 and would probably be a World Champion had it not been for Snodgrass' Muff. Just as how Sherry Magee is arguably a top 15 leftfielder ever, I think Doyle could be top 15 all time at second.

Gavvy Cravath - I get the argument against him, but he absolutely dominated during his short peak.

Bill Dineen - As a pitcher alone he is not a Hall of Famer, but when you combine his pitching career with his umpiring career, it's hard to justify his exclusion.

Could go either way

Jimmy Sheckard - He wasn't that bad of a player and worth doing more research on. No way should he get in before Sherry Magee, but a future induction would hardly taint Cooperstown.

Not Hall of Fame worthy

Deacon Philippe - I changed my mind here
I think Reulbach was better and I wouldn't put Reulbach in. Out of those Pirate teams, only Babe Adams deserves it and he's not in the set.

Ed Reulbach - Just falls short for me.

George Mullin - Would challenge Rube Marquard for the title of the worst pitcher inducted.

Fielder Jones - Nothing stands out.

Wildfire Schulte - If one season made you a Hall of Famer, he'd have been one of the earliest inductees of an overcrowded Hall.

Chief Meyers - Good, just below ten seasons, however.

Tommy Leach - You could pretty much categorize him in the Hall of Mistakes that the Frisch Committee monopolized. Though Cuyler could stay in my personal Hall.

Johnny Kling - He could be the worst catcher in the HOF and would be one of the worst players at any position.

Hal Chase and Ed Konetchy - I would just focus on modern era first basemen, with Konetchy probably being closer to deserving.

George Gibson and Jimmy Archer - You know have no business being worthy of Hall discussion when Johnny Kling looks good by comparison.


Again, these are only my opinions. I thought I'd respond to a majority of the names listed here.

I dont know you're name, but what is the argument for Sheckard? Please, because I'm clueless.....Also, Chase????

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I dont know you're name, but what is the argument for Sheckard? Please, because I'm clueless.....Also, Chase????

Nice WAR

121 OPS+

Not the worst batting average or OBP in the world.

One of the better leftfielders not in

Fast indivual and a key part of the Cubs title wins

Hall of Merit


Someone many pages back name dropped Chase.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Topps206

So, going back to the first page of the thread, many have been listed from the T206 set potentially being HOF worthy. I'm going to split this up in different categories. These are only my opinions.

Hall of Fame worthy

Bill Dahlen - One of the best players not in the Hall of Fame from any era at any position. The VC really messed up in December. Was terrific offensively and defensively and helped his teams win four pennants in his career. His 44 game hitting streak is second only to Joe DiMaggio among right handed batters. Nobody in history played more games at the time he retired and his longevity still holds today.

Sherry Magee - 4x RBI champ, hit very well in all of those seasons. Metrics rank him well and it can be argued he's better than many leftfielders already in. He could do it all and has been erroneously overlooked.

Larry Doyle - The best second baseman in the National League during his time. He was also the best position player on the Giants during their winning of multiple pennants. One came during an MVP season in 1912 and would probably be a World Champion had it not been for Snodgrass' Muff. Just as how Sherry Magee is arguably a top 15 leftfielder ever, I think Doyle could be top 15 all time at second.

Gavvy Cravath - I get the argument against him, but he absolutely dominated during his short peak.

Bill Dineen - As a pitcher alone he is not a Hall of Famer, but when you combine his pitching career with his umpiring career, it's hard to justify his exclusion.

Could go either way

Jimmy Sheckard - He wasn't that bad of a player and worth doing more research on. No way should he get in before Sherry Magee, but a future induction would hardly taint Cooperstown.

Not Hall of Fame worthy

Deacon Philippe - I changed my mind here
I think Reulbach was better and I wouldn't put Reulbach in. Out of those Pirate teams, only Babe Adams deserves it and he's not in the set.

Ed Reulbach - Just falls short for me.

George Mullin - Would challenge Rube Marquard for the title of the worst pitcher inducted.

Fielder Jones - Nothing stands out.

Wildfire Schulte - If one season made you a Hall of Famer, he'd have been one of the earliest inductees of an overcrowded Hall.

Chief Meyers - Good, just below ten seasons, however.

Tommy Leach - You could pretty much categorize him in the Hall of Mistakes that the Frisch Committee monopolized. Though Cuyler could stay in my personal Hall.

Johnny Kling - He could be the worst catcher in the HOF and would be one of the worst players at any position.

Hal Chase and Ed Konetchy - I would just focus on modern era first basemen, with Konetchy probably being closer to deserving.

George Gibson and Jimmy Archer - You know have no business being worthy of Hall discussion when Johnny Kling looks good by comparison.


Again, these are only my opinions. I thought I'd respond to a majority of the names listed here.

Bill Dinneen.....170-177....What the Hell have you been smoking?????? Also, a 3.10 ERA in that ERA is very high....

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Bill Dinneen.....170-177....What the Hell have you been smoking?????? Also, a 3.10 ERA in that ERA is very high....

Like I said, he is not worthy as a pitcher. He is worthy as an umpire/contributor.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Topps206

Like I said, he is not worthy as a pitcher. He is worthy as an umpire/contributor.

No offense pal, but you are clueless.....

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

No offense pal, but you are clueless.....

Why is that? Are you not aware of his umpiring accomplishments?

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Bill Dinneen.....170-177....What the Hell have you been smoking??????

He was also a highly respected ump...but I think Jim Kaat and Tommy John are both considerably more deserving.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

He was also a highly respected ump...but I think Jim Kaat and Tommy John are both considerably more deserving.

I am fine with all three.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Topps206

So, going back to the first page of the thread, many have been listed from the T206 set potentially being HOF worthy. I'm going to split this up in different categories. These are only my opinions.

Hall of Fame worthy

Bill Dahlen - One of the best players not in the Hall of Fame from any era at any position. The VC really messed up in December. Was terrific offensively and defensively and helped his teams win four pennants in his career. His 44 game hitting streak is second only to Joe DiMaggio among right handed batters. Nobody in history played more games at the time he retired and his longevity still holds today.

Sherry Magee - 4x RBI champ, hit very well in all of those seasons. Metrics rank him well and it can be argued he's better than many leftfielders already in. He could do it all and has been erroneously overlooked.

Larry Doyle - The best second baseman in the National League during his time. He was also the best position player on the Giants during their winning of multiple pennants. One came during an MVP season in 1912 and would probably be a World Champion had it not been for Snodgrass' Muff. Just as how Sherry Magee is arguably a top 15 leftfielder ever, I think Doyle could be top 15 all time at second.

Gavvy Cravath - I get the argument against him, but he absolutely dominated during his short peak.

Bill Dinneen - As a pitcher alone he is not a Hall of Famer, but when you combine his pitching career with his umpiring career, it's hard to justify his exclusion.

Could go either way

Jimmy Sheckard - He wasn't that bad of a player and worth doing more research on. No way should he get in before Sherry Magee, but a future induction would hardly taint Cooperstown.

Not Hall of Fame worthy

Deacon Philippe - I changed my mind here
I think Reulbach was better and I wouldn't put Reulbach in. Out of those Pirate teams, only Babe Adams deserves it and he's not in the set.

Ed Reulbach - Just falls short for me.

George Mullin - Would challenge Rube Marquard for the title of the worst pitcher inducted.

Fielder Jones - Nothing stands out.

Wildfire Schulte - If one season made you a Hall of Famer, he'd have been one of the earliest inductees of an overcrowded Hall.

Chief Meyers - Good, just below ten seasons, however.

Tommy Leach - You could pretty much categorize him in the Hall of Mistakes that the Frisch Committee monopolized. Though Cuyler could stay in my personal Hall.

Johnny Kling - He could be the worst catcher in the HOF and would be one of the worst players at any position.

Hal Chase and Ed Konetchy - I would just focus on modern era first basemen, with Konetchy probably being closer to deserving.

George Gibson and Jimmy Archer - You know have no business being worthy of Hall discussion when Johnny Kling looks good by comparison.


Again, these are only my opinions. I thought I'd respond to a majority of the names listed here.

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I like your format and I'll use the same but switch it up to my picks. I'm a little more lenient.

Hall of Fame worthy

Bill Dahlen
Sherry Magee
Larry Doyle
Gavvy Cravath
Bill Dinneen
Ed Reulbach
Chase
Konetchy --- C'mon guys
Deacon Philippe - 1903 WS??? And look at the huge W-L gap decent ERA for his era as well
Donie Bush - too much good for this guy, not talked about enough IMO

Could go either way

Jimmy Sheckard
Tommy Leach - I like Leach a lot but his .269 average is what holds him back big time.
Chief Meyers
Kling

Not Hall of Fame worthy

George Mullin
Fielder Jones
Wildfire Schulte
George Gibson
Jimmy Archer -

[RaidonCollects]

Dinneen is 100% a HOFer:

-40 Years of contributions to baseball
-A no-hitter
-4 20-win seasons
-Led the league in saves twice.
-For many seasons he was at the top of his league for WAR and ERA.
-He basically won the World Series for the Americans (1903)
-In the 03 Series he won three games and pitched 11 strikeouts in game 2.
-28 strikeouts overall in the series, and two shutouts
-pitched 37 consecutive complete games earning the record for the most consecutive innings without being relieved (337 consecutive)
-As said above 8 WS Umpired, and 5 No-no's
-Umpired a ton of games (more than O'Day, Conlan and Chylak)
-6th for career games a HP Ump
-I could have made this list twice as long

Also +1 on Donie Bush for the HOF. Fun Fact: He discovered Pee Wee Reese as a scout (one of his lesser known accomplishments)

-Owen

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by RaidonCollects

Dinneen is 100% a HOFer:

-40 Years of contributions to baseball
-A no-hitter
-4 20-win seasons
-Led the league in saves twice.
-For many seasons he was at the top of his league for WAR and ERA.
-He basically won the World Series for the Americans (1903)
-In the 03 Series he won three games and pitched 11 strikeouts in game 2.
-28 strikeouts overall in the series, and two shutouts
-pitched 37 consecutive complete games earning the record for the most consecutive innings without being relieved (337 consecutive)
-As said above 8 WS Umpired, and 5 No-no's
-Umpired a ton of games (more than O'Day, Conlan and Chylak)
-6th for career games a HP Ump
-I could have made this list twice as long

Also +1 on Donie Bush for the HOF. Fun Fact: He discovered Pee Wee Reese as a scout (one of his lesser known accomplishments)

-Owen

I've been waiting for you to contribute on Dinneen Owen

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by Topps206

Larry Doyle - The best second baseman in the National League during his time. He was also the best position player on the Giants during their winning of multiple pennants. One came during an MVP season in 1912 and would probably be a World Champion had it not been for Snodgrass' Muff. Just as how Sherry Magee is arguably a top 15 leftfielder ever, I think Doyle could be top 15 all time at second.

Worth mentioning that at that time, a player could only win the MVP once.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Topps206

So, going back to the first page of the thread, many have been listed from the T206 set potentially being HOF worthy. I'm going to split this up in different categories. These are only my opinions.

Hall of Fame worthy

Bill Dahlen - One of the best players not in the Hall of Fame from any era at any position. The VC really messed up in December. Was terrific offensively and defensively and helped his teams win four pennants in his career. His 44 game hitting streak is second only to Joe DiMaggio among right handed batters. Nobody in history played more games at the time he retired and his longevity still holds today.

Sherry Magee - 4x RBI champ, hit very well in all of those seasons. Metrics rank him well and it can be argued he's better than many leftfielders already in. He could do it all and has been erroneously overlooked.

Larry Doyle - The best second baseman in the National League during his time. He was also the best position player on the Giants during their winning of multiple pennants. One came during an MVP season in 1912 and would probably be a World Champion had it not been for Snodgrass' Muff. Just as how Sherry Magee is arguably a top 15 leftfielder ever, I think Doyle could be top 15 all time at second.

Gavvy Cravath - I get the argument against him, but he absolutely dominated during his short peak.

Bill Dinneen - As a pitcher alone he is not a Hall of Famer, but when you combine his pitching career with his umpiring career, it's hard to justify his exclusion.

Could go either way

Jimmy Sheckard - He wasn't that bad of a player and worth doing more research on. No way should he get in before Sherry Magee, but a future induction would hardly taint Cooperstown.

Not Hall of Fame worthy

Deacon Philippe - I changed my mind here
I think Reulbach was better and I wouldn't put Reulbach in. Out of those Pirate teams, only Babe Adams deserves it and he's not in the set.

Ed Reulbach - Just falls short for me.

George Mullin - Would challenge Rube Marquard for the title of the worst pitcher inducted.

Fielder Jones - Nothing stands out.

Wildfire Schulte - If one season made you a Hall of Famer, he'd have been one of the earliest inductees of an overcrowded Hall.

Chief Meyers - Good, just below ten seasons, however.

Tommy Leach - You could pretty much categorize him in the Hall of Mistakes that the Frisch Committee monopolized. Though Cuyler could stay in my personal Hall.

Johnny Kling - He could be the worst catcher in the HOF and would be one of the worst players at any position.

Hal Chase and Ed Konetchy - I would just focus on modern era first basemen, with Konetchy probably being closer to deserving.

George Gibson and Jimmy Archer - You know have no business being worthy of Hall discussion when Johnny Kling looks good by comparison.


Again, these are only my opinions. I thought I'd respond to a majority of the names listed here.

I gotta say, the only one on your list I think deserves it as a player is Dahlen. (I get the Dinneen argument for total contribution to the game tho)