Thoughts on Kaepernick & the national anthem

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Per Washington Post, unarmed Americans killed by police officers:

Black: 38
White: 32
Hispanic: 18

Since there are roughly five times as many white Americans as black Americans, you would expect around 190 unarmed white deaths for it to be proportional.

The Washington Post data I read said 50% of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, 26% were black.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

The Washington Post data I read said 50% of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, 26% were black.

Unarmed

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ice-shootings/

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Unarmed

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ice-shootings/

Lets just cut the crap with all the statistics. My question still remains. Where is the outrage over the white victims of police shootings? And why do white people handle it differently than black people do????????? White people don't form hate groups (and, yes, BLM is a hate group) that advocates the killing of cops.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Lets just cut the crap with all the statistics. My question still remains. Where is the outrage over the white victims of police shootings? And why do white people handle it differently than black people do?????????

You want to know the difference? Police shootings aren't the issue. They are relatively infrequent all things considered. However, they represent the tipping point of a community (whether it be Baltimore, Ferguson, etc.) that has been subject to extreme levels of discrimination by the very people who are hired to protect them.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

You want to know the difference? Police shootings aren't the issue. They are relatively infrequent all things considered. However, they represent the tipping point of a community (whether it be Baltimore, Ferguson, etc.) that has been subject to extreme levels of discrimination by the very people who are hired to protect them.

How are they being discriminated against by the police? You're confusing discrimination with justifiable reason to profile. When a certain group of people are responsible for a majority of the crime, doesn't it make sense that the police are going to scrutinize them more whether you agree that its fair or not?

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

How are they being discriminated against by the police? You're confusing discrimination with justifiable reason to profile. When a certain group of people are responsible for a majority of the crime, doesn't it make sense that the police are going to scrutinize them more whether you agree that its fair or not?

I don't care about what is fair. I care about upholding the constitution. The DOJ published their findings of the Baltimore Police Department (BPD) a few weeks ago, below is the report.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/883366/download


"We find reasonable cause to believe that BPD engages in a pattern or practice of discriminatory policing against African Americans. Statistical evidence shows that the Department intrudes disproportionately upon the lives of African Americans at every stage of its enforcement activities."

"Arrests without probable cause: from 2010–2015, supervisors at Baltimore’s Central Booking and local prosecutors rejected over 11,000 charges made by BPD officers because they lacked probable cause or otherwise did not merit prosecution. Our review of incident reports describing warrantless arrests likewise found many examples of officers making unjustified arrests. In addition, officers extend stops without justification to search for evidence that would justify an arrest. These detentions—many of which last more than an hour— constitute unconstitutional arrests."

"In the five and a half years of data we examined, African Americans accounted for 95 percent of the 410 individuals BPD stopped at least 10 times. One African American man in his mid-fifties was stopped 30 times in less than 4 years. Despite these repeated intrusions, none of the 30 stops resulted in a citation or criminal charge."

The report even states that traffic stops of white individuals were more likely to result in a citation/criminal charge.

"In addition, BPD’s disproportionate enforcement against African Americans is suggestive of intentional discrimination because the racial disparities are greatest for enforcement activities that involve higher degrees of officer discretion. In the five years of arrest data we reviewed, African Americans accounted for a larger share of charges for highly discretionary misdemeanor offenses than for other offenses, including: 91 percent of those charged solely with trespassing, 91 percent of charges for failing to obey an officer’s orders, 88 percent of those arrested solely for “impeding” and 84 percent of people charged with disorderly conduct."


There is no freedom loving American who can read this report and believe the Constitution is being protected by the city of Baltimore.

You may believe that police need to resort to extrajudicial killings, arrests without cause and discrimination to uphold the peace, but it doesn't seem to be working. I think affording every American citizen their Constitutional rights might be worth a try - it sounds crazy, but it might just work.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

I care about upholding the constitution.

Umm, yeah, you've proven that's not true in some of our gun debates.

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Lets just cut the crap with all the statistics. My question still remains. Where is the outrage over the white victims of police shootings? And why do white people handle it differently than black people do????????? White people don't form hate groups (and, yes, BLM is a hate group) that advocates the killing of cops.

I love how you whine when nobody answers your questions but you continue to ignore questions posed to you.

Also, "justified profiling"? Haha, wow...that pretty much says it all. You're basically saying minorities don't even DESERVE to be treated equitably. I bet you're the kind of guy who thinks he isn't racist cuz he has a black "friend."

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by dgo71

I love how you whine when nobody answers your questions but you continue to ignore questions posed to you.

Also, "justified profiling"? Haha, wow...that pretty much says it all. You're basically saying minorities don't even DESERVE to be treated equitably. I bet you're the kind of guy who thinks he isn't racist cuz he has a black "friend."

Yes, in your leftest loon mind, that's what I'm saying

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Yes, in your leftest loon mind, that's what I'm saying

Insults aside, you should take a few minutes tonight (or tomorrow) and skim through the DOJ report. It's truly sickening what our fellow American citizens are being subjected to. Most people don't care much for our Constitutional rights any more David, but to those of us who are still trying to protect them, it is appalling to see what is going on in Baltimore. I'll repost the report for you:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/883366/download

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Insults aside, you should take a few minutes tonight (or tomorrow) and skim through the DOJ report. It's truly sickening what our fellow American citizens are being subjected to. Most people don't care much for our Constitutional rights any more David, but to those of us who are still trying to protect them, it is appalling to see what is going on in Baltimore. I'll repost the report for you:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/883366/download

What I find sickening and appalling are the DOJ crime statistics committed by blacks:

62% of robberies
57% of murders
45% of assaults

Yet they only make up 13% of the population. Let's just both agree to be sickened and appalled and end this, deal?

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Yes, in your leftest loon mind, that's what I'm saying

That's exactly what you said though. Maybe you don't understand the words you used or the context you used them in? Blacks commit more crimes so pay more attention to blacks than anyone else based solely on skin color. Profiling is by definition based on stereotype and assumption and not facts, so if in your mind that can ever be justified you're clearly part of the problem.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by dgo71

That's exactly what you said though. Maybe you don't understand the words you used or the context you used them in? Blacks commit more crimes so pay more attention to blacks than anyone else based solely on skin color. Profiling is by definition based on stereotype and assumption and not facts, so if in your mind that can ever be justified you're clearly part of the problem.

You’re making it only about skin color though, just to push your agenda. I’m saying profile groups based on their common characteristics. If it happens to be race, so be it. Or religion, or sexuality, or gender or whatever. Authorities profile based on the description of the ones committing the crimes and the location in which the crimes are committed. So, if a certain group of people are committing most of the crime, doesn’t it make sense to profile them?

Do you really think the authorities should be hanging around bingo halls profiling little old ladies as terrorism suspects, or should they be looking at radicalized Muslims? Do you think the authorities should be investigating white collar crime in the ghetto, or should they be looking on Wall Street? If you want to set up a prostitution sting, are you going to target male or female johns?

Profiling is just a fact of life. I don’t see anything wrong with that, I’m glad it happens! You don’t like it? Fine, I have a solution. Instead of complaining about the problem, do something about the crime. When the crime statistics get more proportionate with race statistics, that’s when you’ll see change. If it were white people committing most of the crime, white people should be profiled more often that other races. Same for Hispanics, Asians, or whoever.

Sound like a violation of Constitutional rights? Maybe so, but you lefties have no problem at all trampling all over the 2nd Amendment. How do you choose which part of the Constitution you want to uphold and what part of the Constitution you want to repeal or change?

Does all this sound racist to you? Sorry, it isn’t meant to be, it’s just a fact of life. But if it does, then I’ll change my stance on the matter. Forget skin color. Most of the crimes are committed by brown eyed males. Let’s profile brown eyed males instead of blacks. Better? Because like I already said before, you profile based on common characteristics. But it just sounds so much better for your leftist agenda when you make it about race though, right?

I'll close with this. If you're a black male, err, I mean brown eyed male in this country, your chances of killing a police officer are more likely than being killed by a police officer. Who is standing up (or in this case sitting down) for them?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by dgo71

That's exactly what you said though. Maybe you don't understand the words you used or the context you used them in? Blacks commit more crimes so pay more attention to blacks than anyone else based solely on skin color. Profiling is by definition based on stereotype and assumption and not facts, so if in your mind that can ever be justified you're clearly part of the problem.

I think african americans (non muslim) feel safest from being profiled when they board a airplane. None will given a second look as they could be in a car with a taillight out. Now a wierd white guy with glasses and trench coat with heavy shoes, lets strip search that guy.

Ok now a few whitish muslim guys on the plane, lets strip search those guys since most hijackers/bombers have been those guys. I know many whites would be relieved if the whole plane was full of inner city chicago street kids on their way to some school event versus a bunch of middle aged white guys or non black clearly practicing muslims or very white poeple that looked like they have lived off the grid for 10 years. Those few white passengers would be begging to sit in between two african americans..

I think the average white american would gladly pay an extra carry on fee (why do they charge for carry ons now by the way) to be guaranteed to be on a plane with all black (hijack safe) americans.

Anyway, just having fun with stereotyping. Just having fun..