Thoughts on Kaepernick & the national anthem

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

No, but reaching for a gun is sufficient reason to kill them.

38 unarmed African American men and women were killed in 2015 alone.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

38 unarmed African American men and women were killed in 2015 alone.

how many police officers were killed by people that were unarmed..i know of a courtroom officer that was killed by a prisoner who took the officers gun a few months ago that was in the news

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

how many police officers were killed by people that were unarmed..i know of a courtroom officer that was killed by a prisoner who took the officers gun a few months ago that was in the news

Less than 3.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Less than 3.

So if officers have been killed by unarmed citizens. Plus there have to be occasions where the attack to the officer was thwarted and/or was injured short of death. So not every unarmed citizen being killed can be considered wrong..

Just saying X amount of unarmed citizens being killed doesnt say whether the killing was justified..

[vintagetoppsguy]

Jake, here's a pretty good read. I know you'll read it fair and objectively...

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5...-aaron-bandler

No. 5 really hits hard.

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

38 unarmed African American men and women were killed in 2015 alone.

Including most of these people, at least in regards to "reaching for a gun":

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

We all know about Philando Castille, Trayvon Martin, Freddie Gray, Michael Brown, Alton Sterling, Eric Garner, Walter Scott, Tamir Rice, and Laquan McDonald

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

how many police officers were killed by people that were unarmed..i know of a courtroom officer that was killed by a prisoner who took the officers gun a few months ago that was in the news

Again.....this disproves racial inequality HOW??? You guys seem to have a hell of a hard time staying on topic.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

38 unarmed African American men and women were killed in 2015 alone.

So what? Thats only about half of the white men that were killed by cops. Where is your outrage there? Keep spouting your leftist loon agenda.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

So what? Thats only about half of the white men that were killed by cops. Where is your outrage there? Keep spouting your leftist loon agenda.

Per Washington Post, unarmed Americans killed by police officers:

Black: 38
White: 32
Hispanic: 18

Since there are roughly five times as many white Americans as black Americans, you would expect around 190 unarmed white deaths for it to be proportional.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Per Washington Post, unarmed Americans killed by police officers:

Black: 38
White: 32
Hispanic: 18

Since there are roughly five times as many white Americans as black Americans, you would expect around 190 unarmed white deaths for it to be proportional.

The Washington Post data I read said 50% of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, 26% were black.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

The Washington Post data I read said 50% of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, 26% were black.

Unarmed

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ice-shootings/

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Unarmed

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ice-shootings/

Lets just cut the crap with all the statistics. My question still remains. Where is the outrage over the white victims of police shootings? And why do white people handle it differently than black people do????????? White people don't form hate groups (and, yes, BLM is a hate group) that advocates the killing of cops.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Lets just cut the crap with all the statistics. My question still remains. Where is the outrage over the white victims of police shootings? And why do white people handle it differently than black people do?????????

You want to know the difference? Police shootings aren't the issue. They are relatively infrequent all things considered. However, they represent the tipping point of a community (whether it be Baltimore, Ferguson, etc.) that has been subject to extreme levels of discrimination by the very people who are hired to protect them.

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Lets just cut the crap with all the statistics. My question still remains. Where is the outrage over the white victims of police shootings? And why do white people handle it differently than black people do????????? White people don't form hate groups (and, yes, BLM is a hate group) that advocates the killing of cops.

I love how you whine when nobody answers your questions but you continue to ignore questions posed to you.

Also, "justified profiling"? Haha, wow...that pretty much says it all. You're basically saying minorities don't even DESERVE to be treated equitably. I bet you're the kind of guy who thinks he isn't racist cuz he has a black "friend."

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Per Washington Post, unarmed Americans killed by police officers:

Black: 38
White: 32
Hispanic: 18

Since there are roughly five times as many white Americans as black Americans, you would expect around 190 unarmed white deaths for it to be proportional.

Yes, but the whites actually did what they were told when ordered and didn't resist. Therefore they don't get shot as often. It goes back to respect and parenting.

[barrysloate]

I haven't posted in over a year, but after slogging through this thread I felt compelled to say something. And it was ltclarkes post at #167 that got me to do so. Here's what I take away from reading this thread: Everybody is shouting, and nobody is listening.

I've been saying for awhile now that I think America is very close to a civil war. No, not like the one from the 1860's- we won't see cannon fire or rifles fitted with bayonets- but we are pretty much in an ideological one. I am really afraid that after the election in two months, the country is going to explode. And I admit I have absolutely no idea how it can be prevented.

To me the worst problem in America now is nobody is willing to listen to or even consider an opposing point of view. Nobody is willing to even concede that the other guy might be making a good point because it is considered capitulating. You're a loser if you admit the other guy may be right. And the rhetoric and the venom seems to be getting worse by the day.

Here is something I will leave you with: if the other guy has an opinion that differs from yours, calling him an idiot is not cool. You are not solving the problem, but becoming part of it. I really worry for the future of this country.

And I won't be posting again, so please excuse me if I don't answer a post sent my way. Thanks for listening.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

To me the worst problem in America now is nobody is willing to listen to or even consider an opposing point of view. Nobody is willing to even concede that the other guy might be making a good point because it is considered capitulating. You're a loser if you admit the other guy may be right. And the rhetoric and the venom seems to be getting worse by the day.

Here is something I will leave you with: if the other guy has an opinion that differs from yours, calling him an idiot is not cool. You are not solving the problem, but becoming part of it. I really worry for the future of this country.

Not directed at you Barry, but this probably fits here best. Many who are paying attention believe that is the whole point, to foment that discontent. Taken in historical context, the black shootings by police officers are WAY down from 40 years ago.

http://www.cjcj.org/news/8113

[bbcard1]

I would have been a lot more of an impactful statement had it been made when he was a relevant player.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

To me the worst problem in America now is nobody is willing to listen to or even consider an opposing point of view. Nobody is willing to even concede that the other guy might be making a good point because it is considered capitulating. You're a loser if you admit the other guy may be right. And the rhetoric and the venom seems to be getting worse by the day.

Here is something I will leave you with: if the other guy has an opinion that differs from yours, calling him an idiot is not cool. You are not solving the problem, but becoming part of it. I really worry for the future of this country.

you're right barry. people tend to watch the news channel that aligns with their viewpoint, they follow and read people online that reinforces their beliefs. if you don't like something or someone you unfollow it, so your worldview intake only strengthen what you believe in and it hardens over time. even tho the world is shrinking with internet and social media lines are being drawn and viewpoints are extremely divisive.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

you're right barry. people tend to watch the news channel that aligns with their viewpoint, they follow and read people online that reinforces their beliefs. if you don't like something or someone you unfollow it, so your worldview intake only strengthen what you believe in and it hardens over time. even tho the world is shrinking with internet and social media lines are being drawn and viewpoints are extremely divisive.

I completely agree with the news pushing their own agenda. It is amazing how many things that are reported in our news about other countries is 100% BS.

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ut-minority-d/

Adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown of the U.S. population, he said black men are 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white men. But also adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones.

“If one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than blacks,” said Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book “Cop in the Hood.”

“Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” he said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police.”

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ut-minority-d/

Well since there are five times more white American citizens than black American citizens, more black people are killed proportionately.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.dcd700fd14f6

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Well since there are five times more white American citizens than black American citizens, more black people are killed proportionately.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.dcd700fd14f6

That is not the conclusion of the analysis. Read it.