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[botn]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Yes, you do know, but you don't want to think about the reality of it. PSA could confirm rather quickly if it was their slab and/or flip. They've been silent on that aspect of it, talking about everything else. Surely PSA has seen these (in their possession) fake cards already. So why not come out and say whether or not its theirs, or being counterfeited/reproduced elsewhere?

Lets just say for a minute that PSA caught someone red handed stealing slabs and flips out the back door? Two questions for you?

(1) As a PSA collector, would you want to know about it?
(2) Do you think PSA would publicly announce that?

As to 1) yes and as to 2) PSA has a history of covering up fraud like this. Just ask any of us who were active in the hobby in 2001-2003 when When It Was A Game had their own scam of sealing holders. Reading PSA statements about it, AFTER the fact will not suffice. PSA was not forthcoming with any information whatsoever to help collectors and dealers identify which holders were bad or to explain the extent of the fraud. They just wanted it to go away as fast as possible. That is their way of protecting the brand name--not by taking care of their customers.

As far as what is going on now, what good is it to send a holder in to PSA to have them examine it once it is bought or a trade is done and that holder turns out to be bad? This is far from proactive solution and offers ZERO protection or recourse to the victim. In fact, it is my understanding when you do that the card gets broken out and you get back the card inside of a card saver.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by botn

As to 1) yes and as to 2) PSA has a history of covering up fraud like this. Just ask any of us who were active in the hobby in 2001-2003 when When It Was A Game had their own scam of sealing holders. Reading PSA statements about it, AFTER the fact will not suffice. PSA was not forthcoming with any information whatsoever to help collectors and dealers identify which holders were bad or to explain the extent of the fraud. They just wanted it to go away as fast as possible. That is their way of protecting the brand name--not by taking care of their customers.

As far as what is going on now, what good is it to send a holder in to PSA to have them examine it once it is bought or a trade is done and that holder turns out to be bad? This is far from proactive solution and offers ZERO protection or recourse to the victim. In fact, it is my understanding when you do that the card gets broken out and you get back the card inside of a card saver.

+1. It seems like there is no "victim protection". They wipe their hands clean of it, and meanwhile, you are stuck for hundreds, if not thousands of dollars through no fault of your own.