PWCC Juggernaught

[jmb]

I consigned a small group (7) of cards to PWCC to try them out. While there are still several days to go, one of the cards has already eclipsed the asking price from when I listed it on the BST. I will already clear more than I had asked on the BST even after PWCC fees come out.

[ullmandds]

Brent seems to be a good guy. He has responded to my email questions...which is more than a lot of big ebay sellers. And somehow he gets a constant flow of quality cardboard.

But with ebay auctions there is opportunity for shenanigans...and it does seem to occur somewhat regularly.

[Peter_Spaeth]

What I find unusual compared to other sellers is the frenzied bidding on some of the high dollar cards almost from the instant they go live. Draw your own conclusions, but for example, 43 bids here within the first few hours of posting. Starting literally one minute after it went live.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Fleer-B...wAAOSw1DtXLUAG

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What I find unusual compared to other sellers is the frenzied bidding on some of the high dollar cards almost from the instant they go live. Draw your own conclusions, but for example, 43 bids here within the first few hours of posting. Starting literally one minute after it went live.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Fleer-B...wAAOSw1DtXLUAG

yup...that's the kind of suspicious bidding one regularly sees with his big buck cards. I just wonder how many auctions this bidder upper has won in general and what types of items they were.

And that card looks more like a 9!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

yup...that's the kind of suspicious bidding one regularly sees with his big buck cards. I just wonder how many auctions this bidder upper has won in general and what types of items they were.

And that card looks more like a 9!

At one point, it probably was.

[Yoda]

It seems to me that, at least at the moment, that PWCC is the biggest player in Ebay pre-war auctions, bringing far more vintage material to the marketplace than existed before their arrival. And as they say (whoever they are), " if you want to play the game, it helps to know the dealer."

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What I find unusual compared to other sellers is the frenzied bidding on some of the high dollar cards almost from the instant they go live. Draw your own conclusions, but for example, 43 bids here within the first few hours of posting. Starting literally one minute after it went live.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Fleer-B...wAAOSw1DtXLUAG

Holy crap, $27,000 with 9 days to go!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

yup...that's the kind of suspicious bidding one regularly sees with his big buck cards. I just wonder how many auctions this bidder upper has won in general and what types of items they were.

And that card looks more like a 9!

Still it has occurred on more than a few occasions..someone brings up an auction and wondering who the heck was bidding on a card at a certain price in a pwcc auction..and all of the sudden a net54 member says they were bidding or their friend or someone that commonly bid against was the one bidding so it was in fact legit.....i not sure if it was an pwcc auction but recently there was a net54 board member shocked on biddiing results on a wrestling RC card wondering how the bids could be legit then another board member attested that they were legit..

[nat]

So mostly OT, but in response to that linked Jordan rookie: were basketball cards in the 80s not over-produced junk? Because my Kirby Puckett rookie card is probably worth less than the top loader I keep it in.

[Peter_Spaeth]

There are something like 15,000 Jordans graded by PSA from memory. Not exactly scarce.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by nat

So mostly OT, but in response to that linked Jordan rookie: were basketball cards in the 80s not over-produced junk? Because my Kirby Puckett rookie card is probably worth less than the top loader I keep it in.

Kirby Puckett is not exactly Michael Jordan in terms of how many people collect him.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What I find unusual compared to other sellers is the frenzied bidding on some of the high dollar cards almost from the instant they go live. Draw your own conclusions, but for example, 43 bids here within the first few hours of posting. Starting literally one minute after it went live.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Fleer-B...wAAOSw1DtXLUAG

He does advertise the bigger cards, and they're all.listed on his site for days before they go live on ebay. A lot of collectors, myself included, check this site and know what's coming. I put an early bid in so the card shows up in the buying section of the my ebay page and I get the alerts. Perhaps others are doing the same thing, which drives the bidding up quickly. It then flattens out until close to the end.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

He does advertise the bigger cards, and they're all.listed on his site for days before they go live on ebay. A lot of collectors, myself included, check this site and know what's coming. I put an early bid in so the card shows up in the buying section of the my ebay page and I get the alerts. Perhaps others are doing the same thing, which drives the bidding up quickly. It then flattens out until close to the end.

p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $14,500.00
May-07-16 19:46:19 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $14,200.00
May-07-16 19:46:14 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $14,000.00
May-07-16 19:39:19 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $13,000.00
May-07-16 19:39:14 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $12,500.00
May-07-16 19:37:42 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $10,000.00
May-07-16 19:37:08 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $9,000.00
May-07-16 19:37:04 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $8,000.00
May-07-16 19:37:01 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $7,000.00
May-07-16 19:36:57 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $6,000.00
May-07-16 19:36:45 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $5,000.00
May-07-16 19:36:41 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $4,000.00
May-07-16 19:36:37 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $3,000.00
May-07-16 19:36:34 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $2,000.00
May-07-16 19:36:31 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $1,000.00
May-07-16 19:36:16 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $100.00
May-07-16 19:36:13 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $1.00
May-07-16 19:31:46 PDT

AND THEN

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $20,500.00
May-07-16 19:58:07 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $20,300.00
May-07-16 19:58:05 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $20,100.00
May-07-16 19:51:51 PDT

AND THEN

p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $22,500.00
May-07-16 20:22:29 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $22,200.00
May-07-16 20:22:26 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $22,000.00
May-07-16 20:21:36 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $21,700.00
May-07-16 20:21:33 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $21,500.00
May-07-16 20:21:30 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $21,200.00
May-07-16 20:21:28 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $21,000.00
May-07-16 20:21:24 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $20,700.00
May-07-16 20:18:47 PDT

I guess with that many bids he will at least be sure to get the notifications.

[pokerplyr80]

Yes that one certainly looks suspicious. Brent has come to this site and claimed that bidding patterns such as this are often legitimate and that for some reason there are bidders out there who as a practice place small incremental bids until they become the high bidder. Without actually investigating further we can't know for sure. If this same bidder retracted the bid that became the high bid that would be fairly definitive.

And yes, this bidder certainly won't have to worry about not receiving the end of auction notification.

[MetsBaseball1973]

I bid that way sometimes. Whenever I bid from my phone I just keep hitting the bid button sometimes over and over.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Yes that one certainly looks suspicious. Brent has come to this site and claimed that bidding patterns such as this are often legitimate and that for some reason there are bidders out there who as a practice place small incremental bids until they become the high bidder. Without actually investigating further we can't know for sure. If this same bidder retracted the bid that became the high bid that would be fairly definitive.

And yes, this bidder certainly won't have to worry about not receiving the end of auction notification.

That bidder may just really want to that MJ rookie card. He also bid on that card from PWCC last month before getting crushed:

Link

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Yes that one certainly looks suspicious. Brent has come to this site and claimed that bidding patterns such as this are often legitimate and that for some reason there are bidders out there who as a practice place small incremental bids until they become the high bidder. Without actually investigating further we can't know for sure. If this same bidder retracted the bid that became the high bid that would be fairly definitive.

And yes, this bidder certainly won't have to worry about not receiving the end of auction notification.

I agree that not everything that looks suspicious necessarily is. All I initially said was that one sees this pattern of frenzied early bidding on high end cards in PWCC fairly commonly.